For now, all reporting is citing him. But at least they are doing it properly 
âŠunkind people on Twitter are now alleging that Gay didnât properly cite Magill in her âit depends on the contextâ response. 
Has she not published anything since her PhD dissertation? Anyway, probably best to start a new thread.
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My daughterâs school is like that too, but due within like 3 weeks. If your FA hits but you then donât pay what is due, they do cancel your enrollment and you must repay the FA and vacate your dorm room.
I think these students are playing with fire.
And what is it exactly they want the schools to do? Cancel all demonstrations? Make statements supporting their side (while the other side wants their sideâs position supported)? More security? Keep all non-students off campus (if thatâs even possible)?
The schools could restrict demonstrations but Iâm not sure thatâs going to make either Jewish students or Palestinian students like each other, stop wearing their flags and symbols, and thus make they feel saver walking on campus or having a discussion in class. The schools canât make them like each other or even keep their angry glances to themselves. The schools might be able to stop speech, but they canât stop feelings.
I thought the congressional testimony was bullying and stupid. The congresswoman wasnât interested in hearing the truth or any other side. She said several times âThis IS the answer!â She asked if the student policy stated X and then answered herself that the policy DID state that, but didnât cite the policy. Pennâs president was trying to say it could be hate speech but also could be allowed speech if not turned into action or directed at a person or group.
I like that she resigned. Who needs that kind of treatment, and she still has a job at Penn. Not sure what the congresswoman accomplished because there will be another president and the policies will not have changed and will still have to be interpreted by a person or board.
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We demand that a referendum be established for students from all schools of Columbia University on the issue of divestment from companies profiting from or otherwise supporting Israeli apartheid and Columbiaâs academic ties to Israel.
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We demand that Columbia immediately remove Board of Trustees members whose personal investments, financial commitments, employment, or other forms of business involvement entail profit from or support for Israeli apartheid.
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Intense policing and surveillance under the guise of improving campus safety during Pro-Palestine demonstrations has only served to make students feel unsafe, and has even led to students being harassed by officers.
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The standing practice of policing on campus overwhelmingly surveils and targets racialized bodies, rendering Black, indigenous and other marginalized students vulnerable to institutional and structural harm.
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It seems to be another case of students wanting to protest but not accept the consequences of doing so. It is irrational to expect to dictate the personal investments of trustees. But seeing the survey data, and though I suspect the administration would cave on enforcing payment terms, it is my hope that they would do so with maximum effect.
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Dr. Phil has just weighed in demanding the resignation of Harvard and MIT presidents and slamming elite universities as left-liberal woke hotbeds of intellectual rot. He then proceeds to light a menorah with orange candles in honor of the two little red headed Israeli children kidnapped by Hamas
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It does seem like a lot of people missed the whole âaccept the consequences of civil disobedienceâ part of protest.
The cost of protest is a big part of it.
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Actually, it seems like the strike organizers have thoroughly documented the potential consequences of the strike.
See:
âRisks
In communication via social media, organizers of CU Tuition Strike were straightforward about the risks involved with striking. Columbia students who are able to register for classes are by default in a financial agreement with the University to pay all due fees. By striking, a student breaks that agreement, and may be fined up to $150 for late fees and an additional 1.5% of the amount charged.
If the strike is successful, however, organizers believe there is a possibility that substantial pushback will force the University to forgive the late fees. At the same time, Tuition Strike has set up a mutual aid request form for anyone seeking funds to cover late fees. The organizers further noted that for Columbia students, participating in the strike should not impact Spring registration nor health insurance enrollment, which only requires continued course registration. If a registration hold is issued, it wonât be applied until Summer and Fall 2024 class registration.
However, organizers also noted that Barnard students will face âparticular challenges, including late fees that could surpass $500, registration holds, loss of Barnard housing, and disenrollment.â Due to this, the group has encouraged Barnard students not to partake directly.
For graduating students or students on a visa, there may be additional complications surrounding staying on track to graduate and visa arrangements. Students are also not advised to cancel any student loans as reviving it is challenging.â
And:
âColumbia schools and affiliates threaten late fees, registration holds, and graduation holds for missing tuition payments. While late fees will be applied throughout the Spring 2024 semester, the other consequences of withholding tuition payments are more prospective, meaning they will not be applied until the following Fall 2024 semesterâŠ.
STUDENT VISAS
If you are an international student, withholding tuition payments will not cause the university to revoke your immigration status. Rather, they will impose late fees as a penalty, for the Spring 2024 semester. However, if the tuition strike continues and you are at risk of a registration hold, that may complicate your situation, as student visa status is dependent on full-time registration.â
(Note: the following link works; not private):
The language of this statement wouldnât give me much confidence in striking. Lots of âshouldsâ and âpossibilitiesâ and not much absolute language in terms of protections.
And immigration status is up to the US government, not universities.
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Letâs see if Columbia has the guts to follow through on their non-payment policies. These students are counting on them caving in.
True. But their student status would only be revoked if they are suspended or no longer full time students (due to not being registered for classes), not for non payment of tuition and fees. So, indirectly up to the university.
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Not to mention that the University must notify the feds when any visa student is suspended or becomes other than a full time student for any reason.
Look at all these hidden posts.
Might I remind members of the forum rules: âOur forum is expected to be a friendly and welcoming place, and one in which members can post without their motives, intelligence, or other personal characteristics being questioned by others."
and
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http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/guidelines
There is a way to say you disagree with someoneâs opinion without snark. And per forum rules, you must do so. âHereâs my interpretationâ works much better than "You are so clueless " You are all free to post in the Politics Forum where the moderation is less stringent. And you will need to post in the Politics Forum (or refrain from posting here) if your post is political.
Since subtlety in our earlier notes has not been working, hereâs what may now happen: any post that is hidden/edited/deleted by a moderator will result in the moderator sending a message to the offender. Included in that communication, the moderator will outline the transgression, how to improve, and consequences for failure to improve.
If your post was hidden/edited/deleted, there was a reason. Please donât repost verbatim as it will just be deleted.
The moderators have been relatively lenient in this thread because it is an important issue. But the actions of a small handful is hurting the discussion and is consuming a disproportionate amount of moderator time.
Iâll also remind you that comments about the rules and moderator actions are off-limits on threads. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
I resemble that remark! But seriously, I would assume sheâs had better days having ascended to the presidency of a school such as Penn.
They were all prepped, but apparently not very well. Even a schmuck like me could have anticipated the key question over which so much stumbling and bumbling occurred.
The issue is not quite that complicated when all the feelings and emotions are sorted out of the way. I like Michael Rothâs view on the matter: safe enough spaces. The bargain is not about being uncomfortable. You sign up for that when you go to college, or why bother going. But you shouldnât (reasonably) feel threatened because, among other things, that interferes with learning, and thatâs why youâre there.
I donât take much away from the political theater that is a congressional hearing given what the questioners are after. I liken it to presenting to a corporate board of directors. Thereâs not much upside; but there is a lot of downside.
Edit: apologies @circuitrider already covered it.
Didnât see it. What is the gist?
That Columbia and Dartmouth are very different schools is well established, with Dartmouth having a long-standing reputation as a relatively conservative place, and certainly so as compared to the other Ivy League members. And of course youâre not going to get the âpassers byâ protesting traffic in Hanover that you will attract in the city.
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When I looked at the first example, it seemed more like a typo to me:
The closing double-quotes where placed behind the word âempowermentâ, instead of the end of the paragraph. She very clearly stated that she was quoting and whom she was quoting - but misplaced the quotation marks.
Also - note the ellipsis!
What might seem like 4 lines, of which n percent are a quote, itâs not clear to me how long these paragraphs had really been, how much was omitted by Rufo, and how much (or little) of the text is truly overlapping, vs. how much more she might have paraphrased.
Even the second sample show that she is crediting other work: âSocial scientists have concentratedâŠâ Finally, we donât see where footnotes might have used to correctly reference the source.
Not sure, that much of what would be written at https://christopherrufo.com/ automatically qualifies as âbombshellâ?
I also donât know to what degree a strong presence (or absence) of a Jewish population might attract more discussion/debate about related politics in a tiny university town?
I couldnât find any more recent data for Hanover, NH:
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Ouch!
(And, I know better than to inverse that statement 
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Are you drawing a line between ârich donorsâ and the stated goals of the tuition strike?
I would hope that any universitiesâ immediate concern would be to engage with students protesting against the university, its policies and leadership.
After all, they are all parties to whatever makes Columbia, Columbia. So the first sentiment should not be how to most effectively and quickly âbreakâ a strike.
I have no doubt that the university will address this appropriately in due time - between now and handing out diplomas, rather than kneejerk reactions.
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Interesting thought. As a guess, Iâd expect you to be right on the money. Itâs an interesting thing to ponder as to whether more Jewish students attracts more robust pro-Palestinian debate to the point of disruptive protest. Intellectually, the presence or lack of presence of Jewish students shouldnât matter because the PP crowd is (allegedly) not protesting the presence of their fellow students but instead the policy actions of the state of Israel.
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