<p>A B+ boy can definitely get into Vassar with good scores, Bard is even easier to get into - I don’t know if being male helps there. No one gets into Hopkins though from our school without an A average.</p>
<p>It would be safe to say that a 3.1 will NOT get you into NYU, Vassar, Columbia, or many other colleges that are being suggested for B students.</p>
<p>^^^ alf56, you are so right about that. I don’t want to use time and energy looking into unrealistic ‘options’ for my 3.0-3.3 kid or set him up for disappointment. BTW, please keep us posted on any updated Pace info. We’re thinking perhaps we should visit Hofstra, Pace, and some SUNYs out there in August, among others.</p>
<p>It just seems that when a thread is begun for B students, the thread drifts to schools for A students. Alf and calvin, I agree with you, and that is why I reminded posters that this thread was meant for B students.</p>
<p>University of Vermont Hillel FAQ: 20 (ish) percent Jewish population…</p>
<p>[UVM</a> Hillel - About U.V.M Hillel](<a href=“http://uvmhillel.org/about_us/about_us.php3?page=525]UVM”>http://uvmhillel.org/about_us/about_us.php3?page=525)</p>
<p>Yes - I didn’t mean to sound really knowledgeable. Madison is huge, and it has gotten pretty competitive, IS and OOS. I just wanted to use it as an example of a state school that you wouldn’t expect would have a good Jewish atmosphere.</p>
<p>The hard thing is finding schools at all that are bigger than 3,000 and not huge. Around here the only schools in the 5-10,000 student range are the “lesser” publics (which in WI aren’t likely to have the Jewish aspect).</p>
<p>mythmom’s comprehensive post 1001 on NYC schools did not include FIT, which we just discovered is a SUNY…</p>
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<p>dudedad, great to know! I had no idea that FIT is a SUNY.</p>
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<p>mdmomfromli - consider Bucknell and University of Richmond - I think these are a little reachy for my B+ son - but might be matches for your daughter.</p>
<p>Emmybet, the 3000+ but below huge size is in surprisingly short supplay everywhere, except for smaller privates, the Ivies and Catholic schools. I have never heard a reason why. I tleaves a lot of kids tuck deciding between schools they think are so small they will be like high school again or so large they will get lost.</p>
<p>yabeyabe - I agree and find that so odd. WE have lots of possibilities around 2600 and fewer and can find some in the 15,000 range - but a number inbetween those 2 would be my stong preference. So far, Elon at about 5000 and College of Charleston at about 10,000 are the only 2 we have identified.</p>
<p>Thoughts on business majors - I was looking at the majors offered and courses offered at a few of the schools on our list and realized that among a few of the schools in the same size range, there is quite a range in offerings. We are visiting Gettysburg first, and while I still want to visit, I see their business offerings are fairly slim. They offer one major - in management - and the dept. offers about 12 courses total. By contrast, Muhlenberg, which we will see in the fall, offers majors in accounting, finance and business administration and has many more courses to choose from. Susquehanna is also in this size range, but has an entire business school with several majors and many courses, so I realized that even though they are all 3 around 2200 - 2600 students - the business offerings vary quite a bit.</p>
<p>And a question - S2 asked me today why the colleges we will be looking at vary so much in price, and I realized I don’t know the answer. Speaking very generally - James Madison and College of Charleston are in the mid 20s, Elon is low 30s, Susquehanna and Muhlenberg are low 40s and Gettysburg is over 50. I realize part of the difference has to do with class size and compensation of faculty - but what else goes into it? Does the price tag correlate to the quality of the school in any way? Do you get a better education at a $50,000 college than at a $40,000 college? I’ve never really thought about this and would appreciate comments from those more knowledgeable in this area.</p>
<p>Correction on Gettysburg - I just realized they have expanded their mgmt major offerings - apparently quite recently. The course bulletin I have is only 2 years old - but I see on the website that they have renamed the major Organization and Mgmt Studies and now also offer a minor in Business - and the course offerings have been expanded quite a bit. I feel better about visiting now, as the program has a little more depth to it than I thought earlier in the day.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/management/[/url]”>http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/management/</a></p>
<p>There’s a category of schools that I knew nothing about until S-2 called “National Masters Universities” that sometimes have student populations in the 5-10,000 range, undergraduate plus graduates. </p>
<p>The difference is that these universities ONLY offer graduate departments where the terminal degree is a Masters-level, and there are no Ph.D. programs on campus. So they get to total student populations of 5-l0K campus-wide, including both the undergrad and masters-degree graduate students. </p>
<p>My son is currently at Chapman U. (in Southern California) where there are undergraduates and some graduate programs that do not require Ph.D.'s (Law School, M.B.A. Business School, M.F.A. in Film, Psychology and a few others). He happens to be an undergrad in the Dodge College of Film, but the presence of the other Masters Degree programs on campus is interesting and adds population without being overwhelming numerically. </p>
<p>USNWR puts these universities into a different category of comparison than the full Universities that go up to Ph.D. programs, so you don’t always hear them discussed. </p>
<p>For undergraduates, the National Masters Universities are worth investigating. I haven’t looked at USNWR this year, but they used to be in a whole separate chapter; not with the Universities or the Liberal Arts Colleges. And they used to be divided by region 4-ways: NorthEast, South, MidWest and West, if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>paying3tuitions, they are still listed and divided this way. My son applied to a couple of Master Univerisities that were a bit smaller in size. I was advised by another cc poster in a PM that if one is considering a PhD, that there are very few PhDs that come from MA univerisities. Here is a part of a PM that was written to me by another poster on the topic when I was inquiring about master universities:</p>
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<p>The opinion that I put into quotes, might be something that one might want to consider. I deleted personal information from the quote, as it was written as a PM to me.</p>
<p>Rockville Mom: I think James Madison is a Virginia state school and College of Charleston is also a state school. Generally speaking, the state schools have lower tuition than the private schools. I also think the East coast private schools are probably among the highest priced because of higher cost of living-they have to pay their professors higher salaries. I think I read that most of tuition money goes towards administration and staff i(professor) salaries.</p>
<p>I think the real question is, do you get a better quality of education at these small private colleges such as Muhlenberg than at in state universities such as Towson and Salisbury? I only think the higher cost is worth it if the school offers a greater chance at good internships such as at Northeastern and RIT. Why pay these higher tuitions and overall expense?</p>
<p>cal1n, would your son consider SUNY New Palz? It is a little further but definitely close enough for day or overnight trips to NYC.
I know that he loves NYC (don’t we all?) but in my opinion Pace is not worth going across the country for. However, if he wants an urban experience in an older, genuine, charming city, he might actually get a higher quality education somewhere in another large or medium sized city. For example, Temple is in Philadelphia right in the heart of the city, and Pitt (might be a reach; what are his test scores?) is also in the city. Both have urban advantages and it is actually much less expensive for students to attend cultural events in these cities (and there are plenty) than in NYC. There are museums, shopping, funky neighborhoods, urban markets, etc… .
Back to NYC, though, does anyone know if Yeshiva fits for B students? Just curious!</p>
<p>Don’t know for a fact, but I think Yeshiva and Touro are fine for B students. However, I think these schools are better suited for kids coming from Jewish day schools or yeshiva background, not from public schools.</p>
<p>Yeshiva University is for a very specific group of Jewish students – not only Orthodox, but students who want their college education to include a dual curriculum – [Men</a> Catalog](<a href=“http://www.yu.edu/catalog/men.aspx?id=8144&ekmensel=15074e5e_322_326_btnlink]Men”>http://www.yu.edu/catalog/men.aspx?id=8144&ekmensel=15074e5e_322_326_btnlink) </p>
<p>I’ve known kids who went there – it is a very intense program. Whether or not a B student can be admitted (see this link for admissions info re Yeshiva College <a href=“http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/a3%20Admissions%20wilf_Amy.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/a3%20Admissions%20wilf_Amy.pdf</a>) , a B student should carefully consider whether he (in the case of Yeshiva College <a href=“http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b1%20Yeshiva%20College%20wilf_v4.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b1%20Yeshiva%20College%20wilf_v4.pdf</a>) or she (in the case of Stern College <a href=“http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b1%20Stern%20College%20Beren_AMY.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b1%20Stern%20College%20Beren_AMY.pdf</a>) is ready for the rigorous program – see the requirements listed on these links.</p>
<p>YU also has a business school – <a href=“http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b2%20Sy%20Syms%20wilf.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yu.edu/uploadedFiles/CATALOG/b2%20Sy%20Syms%20wilf.pdf</a> – but it to specifically combines the business curriculum “with an intensive Jewish studies component.”</p>
<p>Thanks, mdciss and unbelievable. Do you know anything about other colleges that are specifically focused on Jewish studies for B students: Gratz, University of Judaism, List, etc.?</p>
<p>I wouldn’t call List College at JTS a school for B students. (For those who don’t know, List is the Undergraduate College of the Jewish Theological Seminary, the Conservative Seminary in NYC. Students attending List take courses at JTS and at Columbia/Barnard.)</p>
<p>It is also a very intense program with a dual curriculum. This is sample first year schedule – [The</a> Jewish Theological Seminary - Sample First-Year Schedule](<a href=“http://jtsa.edu/Albert_A_List_College_of_Jewish_Studies/Academics/Sample_First-Year_Schedule.xml]The”>http://jtsa.edu/Albert_A_List_College_of_Jewish_Studies/Academics/Sample_First-Year_Schedule.xml)</p>
<p>students are completing a dual degree – their Columbia degree and their JTS degree – that generally requires 154 credits [The</a> Jewish Theological Seminary - Frequently Asked Questions](<a href=“http://jtsa.edu/x727.xml#general]The”>http://jtsa.edu/x727.xml#general) as opposed to the 120+ credits most undergraduate programs require. List students often take summer courses or an extra semester or two to finish - though i believe the official position is that if can be done in 4 years.</p>
<p>I once heard a guidance counselor talk about a kid who got into List as if it was a backdoor “easy” way into Columbia – he clearly did not know what awaited the student. (fyi – the joint degree is with Columbia School of General Studies, not Columbia College; there is also a joint program for women with Barnard).</p>
<p>addendum - i realized this post might sound a bit negative – List is a wonderful program – i know several kids who have attended and loved it – but they worked really really hard. Both List and Yeshiva are for students who know they really want the type of dual curriculum being offered and are willing to work hard to take advantage of it. They are not like just pursuing a Judaic Studies major at another college – they are a full dual curriculum.</p>