Colleges for the Jewish "B" student (Part 1)

<p>I agree that hooking up is present everywhere (and is not bad for some women but is probably not helpful to others in their psychological development). Nonetheless, I suspect that going to a women’s college means that you can pick and choose more easily how you want to socialize while being in a 70/30 F/M environment would make the hook-up culture ever-present. Women’s colleges seem healthier to me to schools with a heavily skewed ratio.</p>

<p>I would guess that the East Coast women’s colleges all have vibrant Jewish populations, no?</p>

<p>Rodney: thanks for your assistance…I think I’ve got it figured out! Not sure, I may have to play with it for a little bit before I’m comfortable with it, thanks for your help :)</p>

<p>Probably east coast women’s colleges are a good bet for Jewish life, but I think Barnard/Columbia are unique in the vibrancy of their Jewish communities.</p>

<p>D was more involved with Jewish life there than she’d ever bee at home, including annual invitations to all holidays from extended family.</p>

<p>She is family oriented, so she really enjoyed this.</p>

<p>S at Williams doesn’t think about Jewish life much, though he could if he chose.</p>

<p>Sadly, Ivy college men since my time in the 70’s, while spouting feminist slogans when convenient, also pride themselves on composing degrading comments about nearby women’s colleges–and their own classmates.</p>

<p>I think too many kids write off excellent schools such as Bryn Mawr and Barnard without even looking at them, out of a principle of “No all-girls schools!”. Although I understand the awkwardness (especially to shy women) of social life at Holyoke and other schools where everyone assumes you are visiting Amherst only to hook up, the relationship of Bryn Mawr and Haverford is very different–shared cafeteria privileges and clubs; extremely common cross-registration for classes, etc.</p>

<p>D1 was specifically told by a young work colleague of my wife’s who attended Bryn Mawr that she should not attend there if she wanted a dating life. The combined M-F is very lopsided, and being at the F school is not truly the same as being at the nearby coed school anyway. Besides this advice D1 received there have been CC posts to the same effect.</p>

<p>For example (from someone who attended then transferred):
"You can make guy friends at BMC, especially if this is a goal for you and you put effort into it. That being said, it is NOT the same as being at a co-ed school in terms of making guy friends. In my experience at BMC and a co-ed university, living together makes a huge difference (and so does a roughly 50/50 gender balance, vs. the ~75/25 in the bi-co). It’s sometimes possible to live across campuses, but you can’t count on that, and anyway, if you don’t think you’re going to be happy living on that campus, you probably shouldn’t go to a small residential school. "</p>

<p>I am sure individual experiences vary and that a 50/50 ratio is preferable. There are, however, surrprisingly few colleges with ratios near 50/50, especially among smaller schools. Note, too, that at a significant number of the LACs women may choose over an all female school, the the ratio of straight girls to straight guys is not favorable. And even at larger schools, similar problems exist–the NY Times ran a story this year about how girls at UNC find the social life miserable, especially by senior year.</p>

<p>Why would the social life be miserable at UNC? Is there a huge gender imbalance at the UNCs?</p>

<p>The link is [On</a> College Campuses, a Shortage of Men - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html]On”>On College Campuses, a Shortage of Men - The New York Times)</p>

<p>It refers to UNC-Chapel Hill as approaching 60 percent female, but notes it is a nationwide problem and refers to a national ratio of 57/43. College of Charleston and UVM are among others mentioned.</p>

<p>Wow, that article was an eye opener! Thank you for posting the link.</p>

<p>Yes, I’ve started not even noticing a 60-40, or even 65-35. It’s not optimal, but it is very prevalent.</p>

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<p>From the quoted article (post #1068) with the young women who feel they don’t have enough eligible men surrounding them, I would be questioning them about that catch-phrase. Figuring for around 10% gay males always, I’m guessing there’s an undiscovered l0% more straight males that may have the “tragic flaws” of: homeliness, shortness, other-colorness, uncoolness, lack of car ownership, pimples… and superficial reasons girls initially dismiss guys as undateable, right from the get-go. Their loss.</p>

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<p>Paying3, you are absolutely right, although guys certainly do the same thing.</p>

<p>I believe the all inclusive female/male ratio may be influenced–in opposite directions–by:

  1. I have read studies showing that black females are much mor elikely to attend college than black males
  2. My guess is that more foreign students are male than female.</p>

<p>I have not seen any studies of how gender ratios influences happiness with college, such as whether colleges above 65-35 have more females transferring out. James Madison and Muhlenberg, for example, have both lopsided female/male ratios and very high graduation rates for their category of selectivity.</p>

<p>One factor holding back women from transferring in such circumstances is that so many colleges emphasizing education, nursing, physical therapy, art and theater have exactly the same issue. Another may be a perception that 55/45 is not necessarily much better than 65/35.</p>

<p>Levirim and others who suggested New Paltz – I have just looked at their website and it looks lovely. The m/f ratio suggests that S would be a welcome addition. I’m not sure how their 92% high school average works out as an average gpa. I haven’t had S look at it yet and don’t know if the distance from the city would be a dealbreaker. SUNY OOS tuition is really do-able… I can’t come across as too enthusiastic lest S develop an allergic reaction to something I like. Please tell me you know how that goes… Thanks to all for ongoing support and recommendations.</p>

<p>"I’m not sure how their 92% high school average works out as an average gpa. "</p>

<p>Interestingly, I just worked out my son’s GPA to compare for colleges; he’s got a 92 average from a NYS school. If I did the math right, his works out to about a 3.70.</p>

<p>To Rockville Mom and others interested in Business major: I realize this is down the road, but with the down economy, I am worried that my son be able to get a job with his college degree. I know some people on CC says pursue your interests and things will fall into place. However, I am concerned that after paying life savings for a 4 year degree in Business, will there be a job? After some internet searching, it looks like there are few jobs in accounting and actuary science. Therefore, I am now encouraging my son to look into the physical therapy assistant program for 2 years at a community college (there are hundreds of jobs in this field), and then think about transferring to a Business major should he still be interested in Business. Any thoughs?</p>

<p>It makes sense that PT assistants would be needed for years to come, but how much can one earn as a PT assistant? Just curious.</p>

<p>I am surprised that there are not that many jobs out there for accountants!</p>

<p>You raise an excellent point. However, beginning pay for accountants and actuaries were not fantastic either–sounds like pay is $10-40 an hour. I’ll have to research pay for PT assistants. There were 92 physical therapist assistant jobs located near our suburban town.
This is a huge number compared to finding one actuary science job listed for the entire state.
Although my son does not have to end up being a physical therapy assistant, it sounds like a good starting point, and could then go on to Business school or other 4 year degree program. By the time my son graduates from a 4 year degree program, I will be 60 years old and want to be sure he is self supporting.</p>

<p>The earning potential is there if he goes on to be a CPA or a physical therapist. I think that your son would need to figure out whether he is interested in either one. If one dislikes taking science courses, becoming a PT is going to be a nightmare.</p>

<p>mdcissp: Combining a PTA license with a business degree or eventually an MBA in healthcare could be a good combination. I have known many PTA’s who have moved on to administrative positions in healthcare. They are in positions ranging from health administrators, to private practice owners to rehab directors in nursing homes. I cannot tell you what the starting saleries or upper level saleries are for these jobs. Most of the people I know who moved into admin/private practice have done so without business degrees. The big question is, is your S interested in this field? If you don’t like it it could be a difficult field to be in. I would also expect that some aspects of PT are more difficult to advance in as a PTA. </p>

<p>You should know that employability of PTA’s has everything to do with the state of healthcare reimbursement. Back in the 90’s there were significant changes in medicare reimbursement and many rehab professionals were laid off. Like any other field there have been ups and downs.</p>

<p>You do raise an interesting thought, I have heard the advice that for those intersted in business (as with law) it could be better to get an undergraduate degree in their field of interest and then piggy back an MBA on top of that after they have acquired some experience in this field. </p>

<p>My S also has an interest in business and he is a rising junior. So far we haven’t persuaded him to change his direction. At this point I have just been happy that he seems to have a direction, which I totally expect can fchange.</p>

<p>As Northeastmom said is this really a more employable/lucrative route than accounting?</p>

<p>The LAC’s with close to 50/50 ratios are very hard to be admitted to like Amherst/Williams/Pomona/Carleton.</p>