<p>Pitt has a great sports program for football and bball…not sure about business school issue…</p>
<p>I checked the Pitt web site and they have business offerings for Rockville Mom’s son.</p>
<p>Hi mdcissp - have not “seen” you in a few days. I did look at Pitt’s website a bit last week - I just think western PA is worse than eastern PA in terms of weather - and it’s bigger than I would prefer. But you’re right - if we do make the decision to consider larger schools - Pitt might be one to consider. I’m just hoping that S2 likes the schools I have lined up for the fall - Susquehanna, Muhlenberg and Elon - I would prefer any one of those over a larger university.</p>
<p>S2 and I have previously agreed that UMDCP is not to our liking. But, he does have quite a few older friends who just graduated and are heading there - so I would not be at all surprised if his feelings change. My point was simply that if he decides he wants a large university - it might as well be UMDCP. But I’m hoping that is not what happens.</p>
<p>shawbridge</p>
<p>Thanks for posting, especially the “Explaining the Boom” article touched on some of the history that was forgotten in the re-branding of the Northeast as being the only area welcoming to diversity. </p>
<p>Although not necessarily of prime interest to folks reading this thread, its still interesting to note that Elon has also done a good job lately in actively supporting students of many backgrounds including the university’s new Catholic Newman Center, and Elon recently receive the National Equity & Diversity Award from AEJMC (The Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication’s) </p>
<p>The leadership of the “Truitt Center for Religious and Spiritual Life” is a wonderful resource for all students regardless of their faith. And before I give the wrong impression, you do not need to be a person of faith to attend Elon, it’s just that like so many things they support students unique histories, experiences, and prospectives. </p>
<p>I’m going to stop now before I sound like a complete advertisement, and I don’t mean to do that.</p>
<p>Horsfeathers, thanks for the info. I doublechecked–and we were both partially right and partially wrong. Susquehanna is in its first year in the Centennial conference for football, playing Gettysburg and Muhlenberg, etc. They are in the Landmark conference for basketball (Goucher, Drew, Moravian, etc). I had seen a Landmark banner at the gym and Gettysburg and Muhlenberg on the football schedule and jumped to the wrong conclusion that they would only be in 1 conference.</p>
<p>ESPN will not broadcast Centennial conference games, but my sense is that the student bodies of the schools are enthusiastic.</p>
<p>As for Pitt, it is a very good school but you need to want an urban setting. Pittsburgh is a good college city.</p>
<p>yabeyabe2: Thanks for the suggestions, really at this point I’m not sure exactly where S’s grades will fall so Emory isn’t out of the question if it works with an A-. Our school uses numerical grades so it is difficult to know exactly what they translate into and for that matter which way his grades will sway in the next year.</p>
<p>Shawbridge: I enjoyed reading the articles. I had read about Hendrix when S1 was applying to schools, I liked it then and I still do now. Their website does a really nice job of breaking down majors and possible career paths, I haven’t seen this on other sights. Unfortunately while they do a great job explaining the possibilities for accounting, finance and business majors the school is not AACSB accredited so this could be a problem for business majors. Funny that you mention Baltimore, we have family in Maryland and considered the Md, Va, DC area when S was applying to schools. However after seeing all of that snow this year it seems a whole lot less southern. In the end it would be S’s decision. So far he’s said he doesn’t want to go anyplace really cold. Right now all of this is the furthest thing from his mind, he’s in Israel for another week! </p>
<p>RVM: I have been following the discussion about CofC. If S does get the bug to relocate we may look at this one. I would prefer that he stay closer rather than further away especially as a business major since jobs tend to be tied to contacts and contacts are likely to be in the vicinity of the school, but when it comes down to it, it will be his decison within the limitation of finances… Also your decison to use UMCP as your large school sounds something like the decison process with S1. We equated several large schools with UT Austin and took them off the list since they didn’t seem to offer anything better. S was very agreeable to this but when it came to decison time I learned for the first time how much S didn’t like UT. If your S is showing signs of desiring a large campus you might want to have a second choice on the list besides UMCP. That is unless he really seems to like it. From all that I heard during the college search it really surprised me how unhappy S was about UT, since this was his safety.</p>
<p>What is your son’s concern with UT? I hear it is very big. if the size of UT Austin is not a fit, I am not sure UMDCP would be a fit.</p>
<p>Rockville Mom: You are considering small schools with very small Jewish populations. Are you sure this is best for your son? I think there is a trade off between having small classes taught by professors with fewer resources vs. medium size school with more resources.</p>
<p>Shawbridge: Thanks for the links to the articles. They were very interesting. My daughter does not want to go South, so those schools aren’t options for us.</p>
<p>Rockvillemom: I agree with everyone else’s assesments of WVU. There are much better options for your son. It’s great that you’re starting your college visits early. If you find that he really prefers bigger DI schools, you’ll have plenty of time to reassess. I do think it’s a good idea for Maryland kids to apply to UMDCP. I know you have concerns about the surrounding area, but it’s the best value available. All the kids from our high school who attend really love it. I think that Delaware is a good possiblity for your son. It’s smaller than Maryland and in a safer feeling area. It’s similar to JMU, but the kids are mostly from the mid-atlantic and NY. They accept a lot of B+ students from our high school, and I imagine that it’s a little easier for boys to get in.</p>
<p>UDel is very popular in NJ–not all B+ kids get in–and I believe its OOS total cost is about $36,000 higher than many flagships.</p>
<p>I agree with MDC that it is important to compare the resources of schools of different sizes. Part of this is seeing whether a larger school has some additional resources you are likely to use (such as a desired major) and part is seeing whether the the larger school has a worse ratio of students per resource you want to use (such as more kids per teacher in introductory classes).</p>
<p>Since yabeyabe2 just brought up UDel again, I just have to give it another vote for Jewish students (which I’ve done periodically in this very long thread). I just got back from new student orientation (NSO) with my D and am completely reinforced (as I am each time I go) about this school. One of the NSO leaders was an active member of Hillel and D connected with her right away. I got yet another email today from the UD Hillel - with news about what’s going on as soon as the kids get to campus. D is so excited to go to college with other Jewish kids - supposedly “only” 10%, but at a school of 15,000, that’s 1,500 Jews. Very exciting for her.</p>
<p>OOS tuition is now $24,000, plus room and board - so up to about $34,000. This is comparable to (even a little less than) URI, UConn and UMDCP (for OOS). Best “deal” for OOS B students remains the SUNY schools (but you have the other trade-offs - location, sports, transportation for some).</p>
<p>Will have more info on UDel come September when D is on campus (and it is coming much too soon).</p>
<p>Interesting to note that the big OOS bargain–Binghamton–which has one of the best academic reputations, and is one of the easier schools to get into OOS, has, based on Rockville’s number, an extremely low OOS population. </p>
<p>This shows what a huge role big time sports plays in OOS appeal, as Binghamton has only tried for that once–and may explain why Binghamton was willing to violate numerous NCAA rules to attract basketball talent.</p>
<p>LINYMOM - I’m following your posts on Delaware - right now - according to our hs Naviance - S2 is pretty borderline for admissions.</p>
<p>We had 56 apply in 2010, 36 were accepted and 3 will be attending this fall. He’s pretty good on the GPA - just about a 4.0 weighted - would need about a 28 ACT to look reasonably good. So, we’ll see. If he gets the ACT score - we’ll visit in the spring.</p>
<p>mdcissp - in a perfect world - I’d be able to identify 5-6 schools with about 5000-6000 undergraduates, 5-10% Jewish, within a 4 hour drive of Maryland - preferably heading south, with a business program that does not require a secondary admissions process, with a price tag below $30,000, with rah-rah sports, with guaranteed housing for all 4 years, and where a B+ student could be accepted.</p>
<p>In reality - I can’t find one! :)</p>
<p>Elon comes pretty close - the other schools on our list just reflect the need to compromise here and there. Some schools are smaller and less Jewish than I would like - namely Susquehanna and Getttysburg. Some are bigger than I would like - James Madison and Towson. Having gone through this process once already with S1, I know that it’s fine to have a wish list - but chances are you will have to compromise on some things. S1’s wish list was very similar to S2’s - the only adjustment being he is an A student. Wake Forest came closest as far as meeting his requirements - except for the number of Jewish students, unfortunately, but he is very happy there. With S2 - I can’t determine yet what he is willing to compromise on - would he sacrifice big-time sports for a school with an active Hillel? Would he consider heading north or west rather than south? Would he consider a smallish school if everything else looked ok? He hasn’t seen enough schools yet to figure out his needs vs. his wants. </p>
<p>So, I’m content to sit tight with what we have on our list for now. By the end of September - I’ll have his first ACT results and by Thanksgiving - we will have visited at least 4 more schools. I’m hoping that at that point, we can go over the list again and re-work as needed.</p>
<p>Binghamton loves OOS applicants. Easier to get admitted from OOS.</p>
<p>holliesue - I think I looked it up in Fiske - either that or Princeton Review - and saw only 9% OOS. Do you think that is correct? I don’t think it would be a great experience to attend any school where you are part of such a tiny OOS number.</p>
<p>Eye opening to read that of 36 admitted kids from Rockville’s HS, only 3 enrolled at UDEL. It suggests that a lot of high stat kids using it as a safety shut out kids more likely to have attended.</p>
<p>Re: Suny Bing: Friend of mine has a child who got in from NJ with an SAT score of 1100 on V/M portion a few years ago. Student had a very high gpa, but also attended a very tiny private high school (less than 50 students in the graduating class).</p>
<p>On Binghampton - in 2010 - 5 applied - 3 were accepted and 0 will be attending. Our hs has not sent a student there since 2006.</p>
<p>On Delaware - our hs has very little variety on where students actually matriculate - they either stay in-state or head to large sports-oriented universities. It’s not exactly a “think outside the box” kind of hs when it comes to college selection.</p>
<p>rockvillemom, I think it is possible. I know that some Sunys that we looked into had 4% OOS. That was not a deal breaker for us, but it was a big negative. When OOS tuition increased by nearly 3k in one year, we took all of the SUNYs off our list.</p>
<p>UDel might also be too expensive for some middle class families. It might not only be used as a safety, although I am sure this has much to do with 3 out of 36 attending.</p>
<p>RE OOS percentages, perhaps a lower % is ok when you are not crossing regional lines–would the 9% at Bing feel that the other 91% are as different as might be the case at a South Carolina or Nebraska school?</p>
<p>I also suspect that Bing has a lot of kids from small NY towns who are eager to meet people, but I could understand a concern that the Jewish kids might be mostly from a few counties. </p>
<p>Bing received only 3 applications from our HS last year (all accepted and all B students)–while Penn State, UM and UDel received dozens and dozens (many applying to all 3).</p>
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