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<p>yabeyabe2, thanks for that laugh-of-the-day!</p>
<p>cherryhillmom - I actually had glanced at this one a few weeks ago - but feel it is larger than what we have in mind for S2 at 25,000+ undergraduate students. However, I agree with you that it is an academic fit for a B student.</p>
<p>From our large public hs Naviance - in 2010 - 11 applied, 7 were accepted, none will attend. Pretty much everyone with at least a 3.5 wgpa and either an 1100 SAT or a 24 ACT was accepted. They do offer early action. OOS price tag is a fairly reasonable $26,000.</p>
<p>Here’s the Hillel link:
[Hillel</a> @ NCSU - Jewish Life at North Carolina State University](<a href=“http://ncsu.hillelsofnc.org/?]Hillel”>http://ncsu.hillelsofnc.org/?)</p>
<p>And here’s some basic info about the university itself:
[North</a> Carolina State University :: NC State University at a glance](<a href=“http://www.ncsu.edu/about-nc-state/quick-view/index.php]North”>http://www.ncsu.edu/about-nc-state/quick-view/index.php)</p>
<p>I wonder why NC State seems to be off the radar - maybe we shouldn’t talk about it! 
hidden gem? Our school had three apply, all accepted, typical B range student. No one enrolled.</p>
<p>The hillel pictures seem to have a very small group and outdated pictures. I think I might call once school is in session to get a better idea. </p>
<p>The “at a glance” page offers this interesting information:</p>
<p>Residency Headcount 2009
Total 4,637
In State 4,092
Out Of State 414
Foreign 131</p>
<p>While it may boast they have students from every state, not that many OOS! Maybe that is a reason it is off everyone’s radar. How on earth do you know how welcoming NC students are to OOS students? Especially students from the North. Raleigh seems to have many transplanted families, I thought OOS student numbers would be higher.</p>
<p>I still think this may deserve more attention but I am skeptical.</p>
<p>Yes! So true. Thanks for the laugh Yabeyabe2!</p>
<p>cherryhillmom: I’m not sure but I think NC State has an OOS quota; that is, they are only permitted to accept a certain % OOS…I know that Chapel Hill is limited to 18%; not sure about NC State though…</p>
<p>Thanks Rodney - that would explain it.</p>
<p>I just looked at Clemson to compare. They have OOS students at 29%, South Carolina students at 70% international 1%. Our school’s naviance has 6 applied, 6 accepted, 1 enrolled. Stats way, those accepted were on the higher B scale.</p>
<p>Clemson OOS costs approx. 36,000 compared to NC State 35,000 </p>
<p>Are there any private, big schools for Jewish b students? I wonder if it is even worth it to look at any OOS big state schools when we have Maryland, Penn State, Delaware and Rutgers right here.</p>
<p>Thanks Rodney - that would explain it.</p>
<p>Are there any private, big schools for Jewish b students? I’m beginning to wonder if it is even worth it to look at any OOS big state schools when we have Maryland, Penn State, Delaware and Rutgers right here in our backyard.</p>
<p>Private, big schools for Jewish B students: just had this convo with a close friend; the only one we came up with was Syracuse and that is not that big and would depend on which school at SU one applies to…“B” student ok in A&S, Human Ec, and certain majors in VPA…not so good in Newhouse, Whitman, Engineering or necessarily education (but don’t quote me on that one)</p>
<p>Syracuse is more concerned with standardized tests than GPA for the most part…know lots of “B” students who attend…</p>
<p>what about American or George Washington?</p>
<p>How about University of Miami? Big, private, a lot of Jews. Not sure of accessibility for a B student. Possibly worth a shot. (I’d take palm trees and the ocean over Syrause any day!)</p>
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<p>My sense is that Jewish kids usually go to top schools; big public OOS schools; or in state publics, with relatively few opting for B student private schools of any size (although I note that Syracuse and Hofstra are 2 of a surprisingly small number of large private non-sectarian schools).</p>
<p>Re more distant flagships vs. MidAtlantic flagships, some kids seek warm weather, and Michigan, UNC and UVA have more cachet, but the midAtlantic flagships are all good schools with big time sports (except Delaware), although more expensive OOS than some states.</p>
<p>That OOS number you quoted for NC State was eye-opening, especially when you factor in some of those are recruited athletes or kids with North Carolina roots. Plus the UNC OOS quota would seem likely to push some kids to State.</p>
<p>From their admissions website:</p>
<p>"The University of Miami uses a holistic admission process in which all parts of a student’s application are considered. Every application receives a full and comprehensive evaluation. We base our admission decision on the student’s academic strength and how competitive that student is in the applicant pool. </p>
<p>There is no minimum GPA or test score requirement for admission. The Admission Committee does not recalculate high school GPAs. We use the GPA (weighted and/or unweighted) provided by your high school. Although not a requirement, a competitive freshman student for admission has a strong A-/B+ average, around a 1320 SAT and/or around a 30 ACT test score, and ranks in the top 10% of their graduating class. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that a student who meets all of these criteria is not guaranteed admission; however, the closer a student is to this profile, the more competitive that student is for admission."</p>
<p>I think it is a reach for my son and for most self-described “B” students - but if you want a reach on your list - this would be a nice one. Here’s the Hillel link:</p>
<p><a href=“http://s216893225.onlinehome.us/index.php[/url]”>http://s216893225.onlinehome.us/index.php</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.facebook.com/pages/University-of-Miami-Hillel/97672210768[/url]”>http://www.facebook.com/pages/University-of-Miami-Hillel/97672210768</a></p>
<p>On the topic of OOS caps - this quote is from an MSNBC artcle from last spring:</p>
<p>“On top of the obligation to taxpayers and their families, many states also limit the number of nonresidents a public-supported university is able to enroll. In North Carolina the cap is 18% of total undergraduate enrollment. In Colorado, it’s closer to 50 percent. In Virginia, the cap is currently 35%, but recently a state legislator proposed reducing the cap to 30 percent or even 20 percent to open up more slots for Virginia residents.”</p>
<p>I believe the 18% cap in NC is the most stringent one I have seen.</p>
<p>I think GW is larger and more selective than American; I recall GW having a surprisingly low graduation rate, with many kids transferring out. I think a B+ student will be competitive at American, but GW may be a slight reach. Neither has the sports or size CH seeks. Both have large Jewish populations.</p>
<p>The NC State OOS population seemed about 10%, so the 18% quota is not the cause. In a poor economy, the political pressure to increase in state enrollment is great–but the colleges may be seeking to increase OOS enrollment, to help their own finances.</p>
<p>If we apply to NC State, I think I will hold off on visiting until accepted or not.</p>
<p>I’m kind of confused about GW. We didn’t even look at it for D - it really did not feel like it was within reach. She did love American and got in. She has a friend (NJB from Westchester, NY) who really wanted to go to GW - didn’t get in and was completely shocked -but he got in to Brandeis off the waitlist and is happily attending.</p>
<p>GW, from what I hear, is a real city school. American is officially in the city, but has a campus. GW is on the to-look-at list for my S.</p>
<p>Rockville Mom: You are doing a great job looking after your son’s best interests and you should be proud of yourself raising fine sons.</p>
<p>Tidbit to think about: From what I am reading in the newspaper and talking to various people, the job market in DC is in better shape than in most parts of the U.S. Therefore, I want to raise the question, why look outside of DC, Maryland and VA, unless the program is really outstanding, when the job prospects maybe slimmer in other areas? I think it is easier to network for a job when you go to school in the area where you plan to live after graduation.</p>
<p>For example, SUNY Binghamton–meets our criteria (I think Rockville Mom wants warmer weather), but someone mentioned the area around Binhamton is depressed, and therefore, I wonder what will happen after graduation?</p>
<p>If anyone thinks I am too focused on the job outcome, well, I am an older parent, and want to be sure that my son can support himself after graduation. The newspaper reports are scary.</p>
<p>students attending Binghamton are generally not looking for jobs in that local area upon graduation. it has an excellent reputation in NYC and through out NYS. </p>
<p>if you want to get an idea of job prospects, you should be able to get information from the schools as to how they are doing in job placement – as well as how many and what types of employers recruit on campus.</p>
<p>also, its hard to predict where the economy and jobs will be in 4+ years which is the time frame many posting here seem to be looking at.</p>
<p>The “recovery”, if it exists, appears to be very slow, many are out of work, and graduates are facing a tough job market. DC area seems to be doing better than the rest of the U.S.</p>