One more list, colleges with more than 40% Asians without regard to selectivity:
Art Center College of Design
Brigham Young University
California Institute of Technology
Chaminade University of Honolulu
Flagler College
Lincoln University
Pacific States University
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Irvine
University of California, San Diego
University of Hawaii - West Oahu
University of Hawaii at Manoa
University of Nevada, Reno
University of Wisconsin - Stout
Just because a school has less than 6% Asians doesn’t mean that being Asian helps or hurts your admission chances, or that race was a factor in admissions at all. You’d have to know how many Asians applied and what percentage of Asians live in the state (if there is a preference for state residents). In California, race is not supposed to be a factor.
I think it would be better to search for which schools do consider race in admissions, and if it is a negative or positive if that race is Asian. International students are usually not included in the race statistics the schools post, so a school that lists 3-4% Asian might have many more Asians on campus if it has a large international population.
I’m pretty sure that BYU (unless you mean BYU Hawaii), Flagler, and UW-Stout do not have 40% (FORTY!) Asians. I’ve been to Flagler and I think I’d have noticed that many Asians on campus (my daughter is Chinese, and I do notice). Maybe those schools have campuses in Asia that report numbers with the main campuses?
You realize, don’t you, that plenty of Asians get rejected from these places? That’s sort of the underlying theme of this thread: that the most popular destinations for Asian students happen to reject them the most often.
Diversity Day is much more likely to target first generation college students and low income students than a particular race.
I feel like it is too easy to say “we’re being discriminated against!” unless you have to have exact comparison to know that there is discrimination based solely on race.
@circuitrider - it goes without say that when any non hooked candidate targets mostly the elites (“popular destinations” is an interesting choice of words), they are going to get rejected a lot. Grades/test scores are, for these schools, just the starting point.
Asians have to score 140 SAT points over whites to get the same chances for admissions to selective universities
Asians have to score 270 points over Hispanics
Asians have to score 450 points over Blacks
the biggest affirmative action group in the US are whites actually… something that gets overlooked in these discussions.
Drives me nuts that people throw around the statement that Asian Americans need higher scores, when they have no idea where that comes from, just accept the hearsay. What sort of thinking does that show? Or they see some media articles and assume those folks have done the deep thinking, when often not.
In fact, the study behind all this never said higher scores than other groups is any kind of criterion for admissions. Also, the original study, (by its own author’s admission,) was seriously limited and an examination after the fact, without seeing full apps. (But noooo, everyone just want to spread the fear.)
Many Asian American kids have full, rounded apps, @worriestoomuch, great rigor and stats, nice range in ECs, some stretch, some fun. (Everyone should watch out for stereotypes.) The issue is more that top holistic (private) colleges do not pick “top down.” There are many factors that go into holistic, top stats don’t mean the kid “gets it,” put forth a thoughtful app and supp. Nor that he/she can answer a Why Us.
And the real threat is geographic diversity goals. If concentrations of applicants are coming from one admissions area (sometimes, even one metro area,) a top college will want to spread their admits. And yes, they need balance in how they fill seats in different majors.
The really smart know enough to match themselves (not just what the kid wants, but what the school is looking for.) They don;t stop at superficials which, again, are not deep thinking or savvy.
@sbballer The study did NOT show “Asians have to score 140 SAT points over whites,” etc. It commented that, as a subset of matriculants, their scores were higher. Huge difference. Again, the study did not examine apps, just scores and ethnicity. Nor do we know which colleges, in a limited number, were examined.
No. Same link:
“In an interview when the book came out, Thomas J. Espenshade, a sociologist at Princeton University and co-author of the book, said he did not think his data established bias against Asian-American applicants because he did not have access to “softer variables,” such as teacher and high school counselor recommendations, essays, and lists of extracurricular activities. It is possible, he said, that such factors explain some of the apparent SAT and ACT disadvantage facing Asian applicants.”
That doesn’t show “have to score,” not in the least. Read the study and Espenshade’s own comments.
This is a case where you have to wrap your brain around the whole, not assume.
he is a professor at Princeton that practices racist admission policies against Asians (along with all the selective colleges). what do you expect him to say:) please