Columbia College vs. School of General Studies

<p>I don't really understand the difference between these two undergrad schools. Someone told me that if you are accepted to CC then you can't do the dual major program, but you can with GS. Is that right or not? I really want to double-major so I need to know before applying. :-/ Thanks.</p>

<p>GS is for people who are older. If you are coming out of high school, apply to Columbia College. I know people who have two majors in the college so don't worry. GS is also decidedly not as prestigious as CC.</p>

<p>School of General Studies is like...night school for adults. Not necessarily at night but do you get my point?</p>

<p>Ooh yes, thank you</p>

<p>i think what means by dual major program is</p>

<p>columbia university offers
dual degree programs for GS students and other grad school with their graduate school of business..</p>

<p>and not columbia college</p>

<p>that program basicly.. when you finished up to 90 credits of your undergrad credits.. if you get accepted to graduate school of business (dual degree program, GMAT is not require if you do this with GS dual degree program, a columbia advisor confirmed it)
you would then be able to start your classes on graduate school of business for a year when you are still a senior in GS
then you would be able to be officially be a business school student.. after your 124 credits
and when you completed the 154 credit (complete your MBA courses) then you would awarded with your BA and MBA at the same time.. (you wont receive your BA even when you completed the 124 units and requirement) if you are in the dual degree program...</p>

<p>only available for GS because generally, GS students have working experience.. and working experience is require for MBA students</p>

<p>note only available to GS students with working experience..</p>

<p>Sorry, I'm still a little confused :) Does this mean that if I get accepted to CC, I won't be able to double-major? I really need a school where I can do that.</p>

<p>jegan, no, it doesn't mean that.</p>

<p>okay, thanks :)</p>

<p>no.. you can still double major at CC</p>

<p>just that GS allows you to take BA and MBA at the same time..</p>

<p>generally they have working experience..
and this program usually covers up their lost time in the past (cuz gs students usually have their education prosponed)
therefore, having this program, they can cut back their lost time in the past..
they dont have to wait for MBA admission, spent extra time to take GMAT, in addition, GS students can use 30 business school credits to cover up part of their BA credit requirement...</p>

<p>basicly you'll only have to spend 1 year at business school instead of 2 years..</p>

<p>I am actually at SEAS and know quite a few people (including some of the deans) at GS. Hopefully I can shed some light on this.. GS has dual degree programs, but the fine print is that your app receives no special consideration when you apply as a junior. </p>

<p>You do indeed need to take the GMATs, GRE's, LSATs depending on what grad school you are attempting to apply to. Your undergrad dean, please state his name if you have it, was probably misinformed. They have no control over grad school admissions and your app will be reviewed alongside everyone's application. The only thing GS can do is allow you to apply early. </p>

<p>Since the average age at GS is 29, applying early to a grad school is attractive. However, this is not the same case if you are younger, since if you could get into Columbia Law, business.. etc, you probably also have a good chance at Harvard.</p>

<p>Oh yeah to get back to GS, it is a school for nontraditional students. Classes are taken with other students at Columbia since they do not have classes meant for GS alone. Achieving a high GPA is nearly impossible since they are competing against pre-med students and pre-law students in ALL their classes. </p>

<p>When people talk about prestige, the issue normally centers on schools which are affiliated with Columbia University like Barnard; unlike GS, which is part of Columbia. </p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>Good luck everyone</p>

<p>As a GS graduate ( I served in the Army) I can tell you that some of the greatest minds of the 20th Century are GS grads------I can also tell you that you receive a Columbia University degree. I can also tell you that the pre-med program places something like 80% of their grads. By the way, most of the information in this thread is wrong. First of all, GS has its own departments---English, Languages, and a couple of others. You can cross register in any department you want. By the way, I was a history major, graduated magna cum laude, and competed very well against the college kids. Fact is, we use to do much better then them!</p>

<p>Umm, GS does not have its own academic departments. You can simply goto Columbia's directory of classes and verify that. In fact, for you to even make a statement like that makes me question whether you graduated from Columbia at all.</p>

<p>You can cross-register? What are you talking about. GS is a part of Columbia. Who would you cross-register with.. yourself? The only people who can cross register with Columbia courses is Barnard and other AFFILATED schools.</p>

<p>GS doesnt have its academic department...</p>

<p>they do have a class meant for GS
only
which is University Writing</p>

<p>General students take C1010</p>

<p>but GS students have an option to take F1010.. and F1010 is not open to columbia college students</p>

<p>No, they have several literature courses, language course etc---thank you. There is a music course open only to GS students---Look for courses with the F prefix. Cross registering essentially means you can take courses with practically any prefix-university wide. Most GS students I knew had rich life experiences and were oh so much mature then most of the 18 year olds at Columbia. GS is an excellent option for those who bring as much to the college experience as they take from it!</p>

<p>But GS does not have their own academic departments AT ALL. There is no such thing as cross-registering because they are part of Columbia University. Yes there is one University Writing course that all Columbia students have to take during the first semester of matriculation. More than writing, this course helps students to adjust and prepare for life at Columbia by bringing in deans and other speakers. It is only this one course that GS students need to register seperately from CC (who also have to take the exact same course.) </p>

<p>There are NO other courses.. This talk of music, foreign language, or literature courses that are only GS is entirely false which would make this belief of cross-registering only in your mind. Ask any Columbia student and they will tell you the exact same thing. Yes, you can cross-register into some barnard courses because it is affiliated with Columbia. It is not a matter of semantics.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br>
Just name me all these courses you talk about.. actually, name one.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/04/02/general_studies.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/04/02/general_studies.html&lt;/a>
"Founded in 1947, GS is the only Ivy League institution to admit nontraditional students into the regular curriculum with other undergraduates"
Therefore there is no such thing as cross-registering in your own school!! Sigh..</p>

<p>"GS is also decidedly not as prestigious as CC."</p>

<p>By WHO??? You????</p>

<p>Umm...GS students are not inferior to Columbia College students (those who know who this is directed to, no need to respond)....we are Columbia too! That's why we attend courses with other CC students...I transferred from Yale and some of my GS friends have transferred from Harvard and MIT...please don't attempt to degrade people who took an alternative path to acheiving their BA...you don't need to put down others to feel better about yourself...ahem....unless you're a weak individual...sorry, just sick of GS being viewed as the "illegitimate child" of Columbia....</p>

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<p>LOL. no harm intended menunno, i was just trying to advise the one who did not know where to apply. and i have better ways of making myself feel better than coming to an ANONYMOUS message board for HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS! LOL. So please do not make assumptions about anyone being a "weak individual", particularly after your last post.</p>

<p>anyways, a couple of my closest friends are in fact GS students so it is not as if i have anything against the school. trust me.</p>

<p>in response to your question "By WHO??? You????" -- no, not me, just in general. GS does not share the history that the college does and it is not as hard to gain admission into the school. it is just the way it is. but so what. it is obviously not just me if you say "just sick of GS being viewed as the "illegitimate child" of Columbia....". look, you'll have a columbia degree too and have access to the same recruiting resources, etc. You also take the same courses, so cheers. </p>

<p>What is your major? maybe i know you.</p>

<p>One last point: come on. if you came from yale, then you must know what i am talking about. there are some guys in GS who just make you ask yourself how the hell did they get in here and why do they have to be here (ie giving us a bad name). that being said, one of my best friends in GS is like a management guru and i respect the guy more than anyone else at columbia.</p>

<p>Wow--the arrogance among some Ivy League students is incredibly annoying. Why would anyone find issue with GS pulling down the standards of the university. My understanding is that GS students take the same rigorous class loads as do regular college kids. I also understand that most of them are more mature then the typical 18 year old and have much to bring to the table. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, we live in strange times, where kids begin preparing for college entrance at age 5 and are obessed with status and power. Maybe a little humility is in order. I suspect that we are raising a generation of elitist club members--doesn't bode well for our country.</p>

<p>"there are some guys in GS who just make you ask yourself how the hell did they get in here and why do they have to be here (ie giving us a bad name)"</p>

<p>I really haven't come across this, but I'm sure there are CC students who are capable of giving Columbia a bad name...it depends on the individual. I take courses with CC/SEAS students and I am doing better than most.
I understand that GS does have a higher acceptance rate in admissions, but I feel that is because many of the applicants are extremely qualified, almost a self-selecting group - they are older, so they are more focused on the task at hand, focused on academics and not the social scene...many have life experiences that you cannot obtain just from graduating straight out of high school...so what if some people attended a com. coll. and transferred in? The perspectives and insights that these people have are just as valuable as someone who went to an Ivy, someone who got a 1600 SAT etc...if anything, I think it is admirable that someone attending a com coll has a goal to transfer to a great school like Columbia - it shows me that they have the drive and determination to make the most out of the educational opportunities accessible to them.</p>

<p>Sorry, for the "weak" comment...just p.o'd...</p>