Confused Junior [NJ resident, 3.7 GPA, 1540 SAT, <$90k; computing related]

Demographics

  • Citizenship: US Citizen
  • State/Location of Residency: New Jersey
  • Type of High School: Highly competitive large public school

Cost Constraints / Budget: Up to $90K per year for 4 years

Intended Major(s): Undecided (Possibly Data Science, Computational Biology, or a Computer Science-related, economics field)

GPA, Rank, and Test Scores

  • Unweighted HS GPA: 3.7
  • Weighted HS GPA: 5.3
  • College GPA: 3.8 (At the time of application, I will have approximately 24 credits from DCC)
  • Class Rank: No official rank. Currently in the top 10%-15% of approximately 750 students in the class of 2026
  • ACT/SAT Scores: 1540 (790 Math, First Attempt)

Coursework

  • English: English-1 (Honors), English-2 (Honors), AP Language and Composition, AP Literature
  • Math: Algebra-2 (Honors), Pre-Calculus (Honors), AP Calculus AB (Considering taking AP Calculus BC or Calculus III; suggestions welcome)
  • Science: Biology (Honors), AP Biology, Chemistry (Honors), AP Physics 1, AP Chemistry (Considering taking AP Physics or AP Environmental Science; suggestions welcome)
  • History and Social Studies: US History (Honors), AP US History, AP World History
  • Language Other Than English: 4 years of Latin (All Honors)
  • Visual or Performing Arts: AP Art
  • Other Academic Courses: Perl Programming, Java Programming, AP Computer Science Principles, AP Computer Science A

College Coursework

  • Statistics I, Statistics II, Economics I, Economics II (Considering additional courses in upcoming semesters; evening classes)

Awards

  • AP Scholar with Distinction
  • National Honor Society
  • Community Service Award
  • National Latin Award

Extracurricular Activities

  • Co-founder of a non-profit organization
  • Author for a non-profit foundation for the past 4 years
  • School Honor Society President and Assistant Editor of the high school newspaper
  • Columbia Science Honors Program
  • Stanford AI Summer Camp
  • Two-year financial education program (Selective, no cost/fee)
  • One-year AI course program (Received scholarship)
  • United States Naval Academy
  • Local Congressman’s Youth Council
  • Various summer programs at Columbia University, Washington University, etc.
  • Two research papers published in peer-reviewed journals
  • Research experience at a local university with published findings

College Preferences

  • Considering Early Decision at either Cornell or Columbia
  • Goal is to get into a Top 20 school. I’m undecided on a major and open to exploring different fields, following guidance from my parents, though I enjoy what I’m doing.

First of all you are doing very well. However


This is my biggest concern. “Top 20” universities are not all the same. A student who loves Harvard might not like MIT, or vice versa. A student who likes Stanford might not like Dartmouth College. A student who likes Yale might not like Caltech.

You should think about what you want in a university beyond “ranking” or “prestige”. Then look for a university that is a good fit for you. This might make it more likely that you will like whatever university you end up attending and do well there. Also, if you know why a particular university is a good fit for you, then this is likely to come across one way or another in your essays and improve your chances of getting admitted.

Also, a 3.7 unweighted GPA is a bit low for a top 20 university in the US. So is “top 10%-15%”.

My other concern is that you need to pick out at least one and preferably two (or more) safeties. I do not know whether or not Rutgers would be a safety for you. However it is very good. I have known many graduates from Rutgers, and they have made the university look very good. The first three Rutgers graduates who I knew were fellow graduate students in the same program when I was at Stanford. They were very strong students.

With regard to reaches, my general approach is to look for schools that are a good fit for you, apply, and then just wait and see what happens.

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Why?

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Well there are 20 top 20 schools if you use one pub or prob 30-50 depending on how many sources you use.

You are unlikely for a U.S. News top 20. You are highly unlikely for Cornell and Columbia, based on class rank alone.

You can certainly try.

But there are MANY great schools out there and going to a school that a magazine (not the real world) has decided is tops is not a guarantee of success.

Your strategy is fine but you need a balanced list of schools that fit your personality. I assure you all top 20s don’t.

If you will only consider top 20, you also need to prepare for a gap year and or community college.

I hope you get what you want but it’s not likely.

It’s now four years (class of ‘21) and I think it’s more competitive now but my daughter’s Valedictorian with 4.0 with 10 or 12 APs who applied to 16 of the top 20 got into exactly zero. Got into NYU full pay attends UTK (our in state).

You need a real plan. I’d start with figuring out what you want in a school and go from there. Columbia isn’t Dartmouth.

You will be somewhere four years, day after day and you want to be happy.

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Thanks everyone for your valuable comments. I know I need to improve my GPA, but some of the feedback has left me a bit confused.

High School Background: As I mentioned, my high school is very competitive, with over 3,000 students. Each year, around 2-4 students go to Princeton, 4-7 to Cornell and UPenn each, 25-35 to Ivy League schools, and 50-70 to the top 20 universities. About 150+ students attend Rutgers, with 20-35 in the Rutgers Honors program. Unfortunately, getting information from classmates is difficult. I’ve only had access to my school counselor once during freshman and sophomore years, and I’ll have one more meeting this year after March. Seniors get priority. The counselor has consistently told me that the weighted GPA (considering course rigor) is more important than the unweighted GPA. The school offers Academic, Accelerated, Honors, and AP levels in almost all subjects. Getting into clubs is highly competitive, and achieving a perfect weighted GPA by senior year is nearly impossible, according to the counselor.

Based on the feedback I’ve received, it seems the weighted GPA is indeed crucial, which adds to my confusion. Joining other clubs or sports is also nearly impossible for me at this point. I’m focusing on improving my GPA (though not by much), boosting my SAT score (currently at 1540, aiming for 1570-1580. Is it worth the effort?), and possibly taking more college courses (I already have 6 APs this year). What else should I consider doing? Thanks in advance for your help!

There are about 50 top 20 schools.

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However, weighted GPA as calculated by your high school should not be used to compare to GPAs listed on college web sites, unless your high school explicitly uses the same weighting calculation as the college.

It may be most useful within the context of your high school (i.e. do students at your high school with weighted GPA of ___ tend to get admitted to ____?).

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For clarity, are you a junior or a senior right now? Your title says junior, but it seems as though you may be preparing to apply this fall.

I don’t have that information. According to the counselor, the school’s profile will provide some insights. For the Class of 2024, the average SAT score over the past three years is around 1300. The weighted GPA for the top 10% of students is 5.45, and for the top 20%, it’s about 4.95.

Why is the college admission process so complicated? I’m also uncertain whether you need to declare your major or if you just need to select a college for application.

I’m Junior.

So this suggests that you are within the top 20%, but not the top 10%. Previously, you mentioned that 50-70 out of the presumed 750 students in your class (1/4 of 3,000) go to “top 20 universities” every year, so being out of the top 10% makes it unlikely for you with respect to the “top 20 universities”.

However, Rutgers looks more likely for you based on the above.

It is complicated because each college can do things its own way, and because high school courses and grading are not consistent across the US, or even within a state.

Regarding declaring a major on frosh application, it depends on the college. It is best to indicate a major that is of your interest, because changing major into a more popular major later can be difficult or require another admission process.

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It sounds like by the time you are a senior, you will have more clarity on your grade situation, and access to quality college counseling that will likely help you figure out where you are realistically competitive among the most famous/popular US colleges. You might also get some personal clarity on what sorts of academic programs you might be looking for.

So my suggestion is that beside focusing on your classes and exploring academic interests, you take this time to look around for colleges you might love that are not among the most famous/popular. If you give us an idea of what you are really looking for in a college experience, we can give you some suggestions about college to check out. You can also try going on some visits, maybe to a mix of local colleges. Even if you don’t end up applying to those, it may help you refine your vision of a good college for you.

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You are a junior. You do NOT need to pick a college major right now! You do not need to finalize your college list right now! You do NOT need to worry about taking the SAT’s again this year (maybe take again next fall?).

You should focus on being the best version of you that you can be. Which means doing activities you love or are meaningful to you; taking the classes that interest you and challenging yourself to do well in them; spending your downtime with people who add something to your life (grandparents, cousins, a neighbors five year old who thinks you are the most interesting person in the world), a part time job if you have time/need extra money, reading well written books, articles, poetry, etc. And getting enough sleep and eating nutritious, regular meals and getting regular exercise.

It’s great that you are ambitious, but don’t let getting into college become the focus of your week.

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I think it’s hard for colleges to use weighted gpa’s since high schools weigh differently. At our NJ HS I believe the highest weighted GPA is a 4.4. My daughter had a B, a few A- (our school tops out at A, no A+), 9 AP’s, the rest honors, 4.2 wgpa, unweighted was around a 3.95. Colleges can determine rigor by looking at the transcript and courses taken.

It is true that course rigor will be important. Also a few B’s in tough courses or courses outside of your main area of strength will not be a big problem. As one example, universities like to see that a student has challenged themselves.

An issue is that different high schools in the US calculate weighted GPA in wildly different ways. This makes it very difficult for us here on CC to even know what your weighted GPA means. University admissions will however see your detailed transcript and they will know what it means.

This is unfortunate. I can see how this might happen at a very large high school.

Your ECs do not need to be through your high school.

I like the approach to ECs recommended in the “applying sideways” blog on the MIT admissions web site. As I understand it, it recommends that you do whatever is right for you. Whatever you do, do it well. Then do not worry about it. If a student belongs at MIT, then doing whatever is right for them will turn out to also be right for MIT admissions. If a student belongs somewhere else, then whatever they do that is right for them will also be the right thing to help them get accepted somewhere else.

1540 is already a superb SAT score.

Do what is right for you. Then look for universities that are a good fit for you.

I will give you two examples of specific students. One is from a long time ago. The other is more recent.

The first example is me. I remember exactly what I did for the purpose of university admissions. I took the SAT test. I filled out the applications (which included asking for references and getting my transcript and SAT scores sent to the schools). That is it. I did nothing else for the purpose of applying to universities. Instead I did what was right for me. This got me accepted to the two universities I applied to (my safety was McGill in-province, my reach was MIT which is where I went). MIT was the highest ranked university that I was accepted to, and actually is often ranked #1 in the world for what I majored in. However, in retrospect I am not sure whether it was the best fit for me. I might have been better off at my safety (McGill). Ranking is not everything, and a higher ranked university is not necessarily “better” than a slightly lower ranked university (and of course McGill and Rutgers are both very, very good universities).

The other example is my older daughter. She had an unweighted high school GPA which was very close to what yours is. Mostly likely her unweighted GPA was slightly higher than yours and her weighted GPA and SAT were slightly lower. She applied to schools that were a good fit for her, including at least three safeties. She attended a university that was not the highest ranked university that she got into, and was ranked lower than Rutgers, but which was a good fit for her, was affordable (with no debt), and that has a good pre-vet program. There she completed the requirements for her major (animal sciences) and also completed the pre-vet requirements. She then worked for three years, and applied to DVM programs, getting four acceptances including two “top 10” programs. She has since been doing very well in her DVM program.

Since you are specifically seriously considering Columbia I might also note that I know someone very well who got her bachelor’s degree at a university ranked in the 100-130 range, and who then got two related master’s degrees at Columbia. She has since said that the quality of education that she got was just as good at the school where she got her bachelor’s.

One point that I am making here is that an unweighted 3.7 GPA might not get you into a top 20 university, but it can get you into a university where you can get a great education, and that can prepare you very well for very good (and highly ranked) graduate programs, or for a good career.

Another point is that the highest ranked university that you are accepted to is not necessarily the one that will be the best fit for you.

Take the classes that are appropriate for you. Participate in the ECs that make sense for you. Have confidence that this will work out one way or another.

I think that you should indeed try to do well in your course work for the remainder of high school (and in university). I think that you should look for universities that are a good fit for you. Do not think of “top 20” universities as “better”, because there are hundreds of very good colleges and universities. In some cases “top 20” universities are more academically demanding (and stressful). When you are applying to universities, then make sure that you apply to safeties and keep your budget in mind.

I think that this frustrates a lot of us. The university admissions process in the US is indeed complicated, difficult to predict, and does appear to be based on more than just academic excellence. However, a strong student such as yourself will be accepted to many very good colleges and universities as long as you make sure to apply to solid safeties.

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Weighted doesn’t matter in the sense everyone weights differently.

Your undergrad and your rank matter.

You want to be top 10% to have the “best” chance - but you need to find the right schools, not the highest ranked.

Your SAT is fine - I wouldn’t bother.

You should be the best you that you can be.

Continue in current ECs - take on more responsibility with tenure.

Focus on school.

Be a kid - enjoy your high school years. Giving them up in hopes of chasing something that technically doesn’t exist (a top 20 school - it’s just a magazine’s dream) - well that’s just silly.

The other thing you can do - start visiting local campuses. Large, small, urban, rural, etc. Figure out - what is it that I want in a college - size, environment, weather, religion, sports, greek life, etc. Figuring these things out now (with visits, not just what you think because often visits change your perceptions) - but figuring this out today will help you build a list tomorrow.

Do you have access to Naviance or SchooLinks? Via the latter, I can see detailed school-specific and district-specific data for actual applicants from 2019–2024 down to the weighted and unweighted GPAs of students who were admitted, denied and waitlisted. This will give you a very specific picture of the students from your school who are most likely to be admitted to certain colleges. You’ll be able to see bar graphs and scattergrams of both weighted and unweighted GPAs.

Sounds like you’re taking a rigorous courseload and doing well. You’ll figure this out! As for Cornell, make sure to research all 8 undergraduate colleges: Though there is a central undergraduate admissions office, each of the colleges has ultimate control over its own admissions process and has a different acceptance rate and priorities when it comes to picking a class.

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