<p>I thought I would make a separate thread on the Kennedy Assassination for this question. It appears that the number of people who believe in conspiracy is waning, though it is still more than in 1963, before anyone had seen the Zapruder film.</p>
<p>No. Just no.</p>
<p>I copied this post from the other thread.</p>
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<p>I think there are a lot of questions that will never be answered. </p>
<p>I also think conspiracy theories are interesting. They fascinate me from a sociological perspective.</p>
<p>My personal favorite is that JFK was a Reptilian and therefore not really dead. Same with his brother. (Favorite as in, I can’t believe someone actually came up with this…)</p>
<p>I grew up thinking it was a conspiracy, and as most people my age, learned about the JFK assassination from Oliver Stone’s movie as well as parent’s stories. </p>
<p>Some details that makes me think Lee Harvey Oswald was involved were that people saw someone up there with a gun (something that is usually left out of the usual stories,) he left his wedding ring at home, and that he didn’t bring lunch that day and told the friend he carpooled to work that he had something to do after work. Also, he apparently was seen shooting the cop (Tippitt), a fact that the movie “JFK” distorts.</p>
<p>I’ve read a lot of the conspiracy stories in the past week or so, and some of the sources are hard to know whether they are reliable. However, there are a few facts that are hard to get past:</p>
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<li>The 3-year, mostly secret House of Representatives investigation into the Kennedy assassination in 1978 concluded there was a conspiracy, though they ruled out a lot of the likely culprits.</li>
<li>Some of the bullets were designed to explode and others designed to pass right through the body. People who are familiar with firearms, including the expert asked by the Warren Commission to simulate the shots to see if someone could make 3 shots in 5 seconds, say that this implies there were two different types of guns.</li>
<li>The killshot appeared to move Kennedy backwards, which would seem to imply that he was shot from the front. And that would imply that shot was not from the Texas School Book Depository. Also, the exit wound was in the back of the head, again implying he was shot from the front. (However, the fact that it was an exploding bullet may explain this; that is, maybe the massive wound in the back of the head wasn’t an exit wound, but rather he was shot in the back of the head and the bullet exploded. There doesn’t seem to be a wound in the front of the face.)</li>
<li>I don’t know how well-accepted it is, but I have heard that there was also an assassination attempt in Chicago ([44</a> Years After JFK’s Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed - ABC News](<a href=“44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed - ABC News”>44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed - ABC News)). This was reported by a secret service agent. He says they were Cuban nationals.</li>
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<p>There are a lot of other stories out there, but they are hard to evaluate their veracity. One thing that seems to emerge is that the secret service was pretty amateurish in those days. There was a plot on Kennedy by an old, disturbed man in 1960, and he probably would have succeeded if he didn’t change his mind twice.</p>
<p>“I grew up thinking it was a conspiracy, and as most people my age, learned about the JFK assassination from Oliver Stone’s movie as well as parent’s stories”</p>
<p>Well, there’s the problem.</p>
<p>^Ha ha. Feel free to educate me. I have read both sides, but there are some lingering things that I can’t resolve. </p>
<p>In particular, I’ve never seen the points I list in my previous points addressed.</p>
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<p>Wait, why can’t you kill reptilians? Are they like vampires? I will say that the reptilian theories are slightly more credible than the ones that place George H.W. Bush on the grassy knoll.</p>
<p>I don’t think you can kill the Reptilians. I believe they’re supposed to be immortal, or at least immune to our puny weapons. </p>
<p>I’m not well-versed on Reptilian lore.</p>
<p>There was one Reptilian report that straight-up angered me though. There was a video circulating of a “Reptilian” in the CIA. Turns out, the guy was a war vet whose face was disfigured in an attack. Some people have no shame.</p>
<p>I could well believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one involved. After all, the three previous presidential assasinations were by lone assassins. (Although John Wilkes Booth was part of a conspiracy)
The one thing I can’t get past is Jack Ruby’s shooting of Oswald. I don’t know what his motive for silencing Oswald could have been. This shooting by Ruby makes me think Kennedy’s assasination was part of some sort of conspiracy.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’ve never thought about it much. But the possibility that both Oswald and Ruby were rogue lone actors does seem a bit strained.</p>
<p>I agree. I always thought that was odd. The current theory presented by Waldron makes sense to me.</p>
<p>[On</a> 50th anniversary of Kennedy assassination book says mob did it - UPI.com](<a href=“On 50th anniversary of Kennedy assassination book says mob did it - UPI.com”>On 50th anniversary of Kennedy assassination book says mob did it - UPI.com)</p>
<p>Mark Lane is the granddaddy of all JFK conspiracy theorists. I read his book “Rush To Judgment” and heard a radio interview he gave back in the 60s. There are far too many details for the average person to know for certain what really happened. Mark will be very active this week in the media. I also read parts of the Warren Commission’s report.</p>
<p>Of course if there really were a conspiracy it stands to reason that bloodhounds like Mark Lane would have been “neutralized” decades ago.</p>
<p>I have little patience for people who believe in conspiracy theories, of any sort.</p>
<p>Watch the interview with Robert Oswald, Lee’s brother, wherein he explains why he thinks Lee acted alone.</p>
<p>That did it for me.</p>
<p>I’m pretty convinced that Oswald was low level military intelligence and not a sincere commie. That doesn’t have to mean there was a conspiracy though, although it could.</p>
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<p>Well, gee, I’ve “read” online that the World Trade Center was rigged with explosives, that all the Jews stayed home that day, and that GW Bush & Co were behind it. Oh, and Elvis is alive and Paul McCartney is dead, and vaccines cause autism while we’re at it. Doesn’t mean I’m stupid enough to believe it.</p>
<p>Nobody seems to have a problem believing John Hinckley acted alone. Why not Oswald and then Ruby.</p>
<p>If Ruby was part of a conspiracy as he first claimed (but never named names), why did he recant that before he died of natural causes? Heck, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals had overturned his Dallas conviction in 1966 and a new trial was ordered in Wichita Falls when he passed in 1967.</p>
<p>Seems to me that if he was dying he’d have out-ed his conspirators before dying not recant and take all the blame.</p>
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<p>You’re right. By extension, all murders must have single assailants. Having multiple assailants would be by definition a conspiracy, so therefore, since this cannot occur, any murder conviction with multiple people involved should be thrown out.</p>
<p>The House of Representatives reviewed the case for 3 years and concluded that there was a conspiracy of some kind. So did LBJ for that matter, who was convinced Cuba was behind it; there’s an interview of him saying as much to Walter Cronkite, and this was after the Warren Commission came out. So the mere fact of considering the possibility and critically examining the Warren Commission, the House of Representatives report in '78, and others is not, as you termed it, “stupid.”</p>
<p>IMO–there was so much hatred and animosity toward the Kennedy family at all levels that it’s hard for me to believe his death was the work of a deranged individual. Ruby’s actions make no sense either, unless he acted on behalf of someone else. That being said, I suppose one could argue the opposite position. While my working-class neighbors and family were huge JFK fans, I remember one neighbor telling my mother she was sure the Pope was running the US–because JFK was Catholic and had to do what the Pope told him to do.@@ Take a slightly unhinged type with that kind of thinking–who knows. I think it’s impossible for the average guy to know what is true and what isn’t. Who has the time or the expertise to sort it all out?</p>