Convince me my reservations are not that great

<p>Hi all.</p>

<p>My top choice right now is Yale, I’ve submitted my SCEA app, and am counting down the days until I get the letter in the mail. However, I have a few major concerns and I want to know how you guys get over them/have gotten over them/hear that they are non-issues, before I can really get my heart set on it.</p>

<li>Telling people I am applying to Yale. The general shock involved and the “Wow! You’re so Smart!”</li>
<li>(Eventually) telling people that I attend Yale.</li>
<li>I have a fear that I will be labeled some sort of elitist for the rest of my life if I attend.</li>
<li>It’s too cold in CT.</li>
<li>Competitiveness. I hear it’s one of the least competitive of the Ivies, but I just want to know for sure. Like competitiveness once there, not to get in.</li>
<li>I’m a Republican. Enough said.</li>
<li>I’m still undecided on either majoring in Poly Sci or Comp Sci. Are both of these programs amazing at Yale where when I eventually shift my focus to just one, it is a great program. Or is it too hard to double major if I continue to love both as much as I do now?</li>
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<p>Basically, I just want reassurance. I want to go to Yale, but certain issues, like dropping the “Y-bomb” and being an “elitist” really bother me at the moment.
Help!</p>

<p>I don’t have any specific advice for any specific point you posted, but I am also applying to top tier schools including Yale. I have decided that it ultimately boils down to this question:</p>

<p>If I’m so uncomfortable applying to __________ (HYP, etc), am I going to be comfortable going there?</p>

<p>I’m not saying you don’t deserve to go. All I’m saying is that you don’t need to worry so much about the first two things you said. And if anything, Yale is more famous for being an excellent school than any perceived elitism. If you really like Yale, the first three issues aren’t really issues at all.</p>

<p>Just my thought</p>

<p>I guess this might answer some of your questions: If you love Yale, you wouldn’t care what other people think or say.</p>

<p>Good points. I do like the school, but I just worry what non-Yalies will think.
I have an incredibly supportive family, group of friends, school, and community, so I think that will be fine, but I don’t want my future first impressions w/ people being that I went to Yale and thus think I am so much greater than the rest of the world.
I’m not worried about fitting in once I’m there, b/c everybody’s in the same boat. It’s when I not there that I feel it matters.</p>

<p>We shouldn’t have to convince you to like your first-choice school, but I can understand what you’re going through.</p>

<p>1.) Be honest about applying. If you handle it well, it won’t be awkward.
2.) Same as 1.
3.) Working hard throughout high school and earning a place in the Ivy League hardly qualifies you as an elitist. I don’t mean to imply that there isn’t elitism involved, but if you truly aren’t going to Yale for the name and prestige, then there’s really no issue.
4.) It is, in fact, cold in New England.
5.) Most students I’ve spoken to at Yale say it’s not very competitive (aside from intermural sports, of course). Students help each other.
6.) Again, I’ve heard that this really is not an issue. There are many like-minded individuals at Yale.
7.) A lot of students do double major (there was just a thread on this). I can’t comment on the programs you mentioned though.</p>

<p>1. Telling people I am applying to Yale. The general shock involved and the “Wow! You’re so Smart!”</p>

<p>This is a problem how?</p>

<p>2. (Eventually) telling people that I attend Yale.
3. I have a fear that I will be labeled some sort of elitist for the rest of my life if I attend.
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<p>People who think you’re an elitist because of what school you attend are idiots. Why should you care what they think?</p>

<p>4. It’s too cold in CT.</p>

<p>You get used to it.</p>

<p>5. Competitiveness. I hear it’s one of the least competitive of the Ivies, but I just want to know for sure. Like competitiveness once there, not to get in.</p>

<p>I’m not in college, so I can’t say, but I really don’t see how that’s possible to judge. The only people who can make any kind of educated statement about that are the people who have transfered from one Ivy to another, and that is obviously a very tiny pool of people. I would think they that all of the Ivies are academically rigorous enough that it’s really not something you should worry about.</p>

<p>6. I’m a Republican. Enough said.</p>

<p>So am I, and Yale’s still my top choice.</p>

<p>7. I’m still undecided on either majoring in Poly Sci or Comp Sci. Are both of these programs amazing at Yale where when I eventually shift my focus to just one, it is a great program. Or is it too hard to double major if I continue to love both as much as I do now?</p>

<p>I have no idea.</p>

<p>Telling people that you go to Yale is one of the most self effacing statements you can make. With top professors and smart students it can perhaps connote to others that you too are smart. tsk tsk. A statement like that could maybe even get you-shudder- a good job. I know that if i am to be accpeted that I will surely be ashamed and probably tell others I went to community college.</p>

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<li>You don’t need to tell anyone where you’re applying.</li>
<li>That should be the worst problem you ever have. :)</li>
<li>See #2.</li>
<li>Coastal CT isn’t all that cold. It’s quite warm compared to upstate NY or northern New England.</li>
<li>From what my daughter tells me, Yale is a very collegial place.</li>
<li>There are Republicans at Yale. Not many, granted, but they exist. The YPU has political parties of every stripe: [Yale</a> Political Union](<a href=“http://www.yale.edu/ypu/]Yale”>http://www.yale.edu/ypu/)</li>
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<p>I come into the same problem when people ask me where I am applying. I simply say Yale and they say “omg! you’re so smart!”. My response usually is I’m not getting in… or Not really</p>

<p>I assume that if you are a viable candidate for Yale, you are in fact a smart kid. Don’t people know that about you already? </p>

<p>I think the US must be the only country in the world where people are afraid to look smart.</p>

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<li>It’s a good thing if people are happy to hear you’re applying to a school.</li>
<li>(I hope you get in) and if(when) you do, telling people that and getting some reaction from them based on several seconds worth of information is just that, no more.</li>
<li>If you run for office, or otherwise spend your life trying to convince the largest amount of people possible that you are “Just like Them” - then, yes, you will be thought of as different. Being able to go to a good school doesn’t make you a bad person, no matter who you are.
4.Connecticut isn’t so bad
5.Competition depends on a school’s standards and the ambition of those in it. IVY leauges and non IVY school all have high levels of competition in some areas and relatively low level of competition in others. (If your major is Poli Sci or Comp Sci you’ll have plenty of work and expectations, don’t worry)</li>
<li>As am I. The YPU (as a friend there told me) is very well represented and maturely conducted (i.e. There are no people running around in Klan hoods or people insinuating Communism is at all feasible/should be implemented in the U.S.)
7.If you love both, try both. If things get to hard, go to student support. If things get WAY too hard talk to the dean of your residential college/student advisor/professor/Parents about focusing on one interest (Dropping the other like it’s a hot potato)</li>
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<p>REPUBLICAN?! LEAVE NOW! Heh. :wink: I’m a lib myself, but I’m sure there’s a conservative presence at Yale (see Bush, George W.), and just about any uni you go to (short of Abilene Christian University or Brigham Young) is going to lean liberal, since campuses are just that way. There will be a Young Republicans wherever you go, rest assured. </p>

<p>As for the cold…well, I’m a Texan, and I’m getting ready to brave it. Just stock up on coats and tissues! And yeah, it is hard to say you went/go to an Ivy; it’s embarrassing for me just telling people I’m applying. Just mention it casually if someone asks, and otherwise leave it alone. There are so many advantages to going to a school like Yale, they outweigh the cons. Be proud, but be humble, and if anyone holds it against you…well, that’s just lame. Heh.</p>

<p>And I’m a future Poli Sci/International Studies double major, so that’s the team I’m rooting for. :P</p>

<p>1-3: Don’t tell them you are applying to, are attending, or ever went to Yale (unless absolutely necessary, as in telling your guidance office where to send transcripts and telling prospective employers). When your friends ask you, tell them you are going to Albertus Magnus College.</p>

<p>4: It isn’t, except when it is. Stay indoors in winter.</p>

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<li><p>Don’t be competitive and you won’t notice competition.</p></li>
<li><p>Just leave your life-size cutout of George W Bush at home and you should be OK.</p></li>
<li><p>No idea.</p></li>
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<p>DD is dealing with some of the same stresses you described.</p>

<p>1 - 2) Yes, it can be awkward saying you (or your child) is applying to Yale. Not only could it be that you are that smart but people realize that by your applying YOU THINK YOU ARE THAT SMART. It is tricky balancing the pride you have in your successes and the options available to you with the feeling of others. Most of my friends’ kids and D’s friends do not have the credentials to even get to consider applying to the “elite” schools so it can be difficult telling people where she is applying. I think the important thing is to balance pride and humility.
3) Don’t worry about the “rest of your life”. The fact that you are concerned about how you could come across to people means you will be seen for who you are and your college is only a small component of that.
4) Never too cold. It is great for waking up on the way to class. If you get in, put winter clothing on your gift list for this year. :slight_smile: - All D’s schools are in the NE. She is getting coats, boots, etc this Xmas.
5) I know nothing about the competitiveness.
6) D is a Republican too (or at least still is). She will survive. We live in Massachusetts. She is very used to being outnumbered. S is at Tufts as a Republican and has survived. BTW I believe that there is a thread on republicans at Yale. There are a few Republican Yale students that write in from time to time. Search on it.
7) Don’t hold be to this but I think that I remember reading/hearing somewhere that double/triple majoring at Yale is more difficult that at other schools. I don’t remember the reason or the source.</p>

<p>Sounds like you have a good head and care about other’s. Continue to and you won’t be labeled.</p>

<p>Just tell them you’re applying to Yale. It’s just a school - everyone doesn’t worship it and you shouldn’t feel awkward about saying you’re applying there for fear people will automatically think you are smart because it means nothing that you’re applying - anyone can. No one really cares whether you went to an ivy-league school and thinking that people will assume that you think you’re better than them is just a little self-centered. Get over yourselves. The vast majority of us are going to be rejected so discussing if people will think you’re an elitist is irrelevant.</p>

<p>You know what? Don’t go to Yale. Really, if you’re dumb enough to think of not going to one of the world’s best schools because you might be “cold” and “made fun of,” I don’t think they want you. I certainly wouldn’t want you as a classmate!</p>

<p>If you’re worried about the cold, don’t be. According to the Official EA Thread, you’re from Maryland, right? It’s really not that different. Just a bit more snow and a couple days in the year where the wind is 30 mph and the temperature’s in the single digits. Mostly, those times of the year, you would be home on Christmas/New Year’s break anyways. And if they do occur when you’re at school, then don’t be like me and decide to arrange it so that you have to walk a mile in the freezing cold, and then wait for the train for another 15 mintues in that cold, and you should be fine.</p>

<p>I grew up in Alabama before moving to New York, and the cold’s really no big deal. Just wear heavier jackets for longer. I actually really like the winter weather here because I do get to wear my nice jackets and my scarves (oh my god, I love scarves, let me tell you) and my boots.</p>

<p>As for your reservations on politics, as long as you aren’t obnoxious about it, I don’t think it should be an issue. If you are obnoxious about it (whether you are a Republican or a Democrat or a Socialist or a Communist or whatever), I believe you will and should get some grief over it. If you are really into politics (which, looking at your potential majors, I think you are), yeah, there are definitely going to places where you can flex your muscles. And even though I’m fairly liberal, I do have reservations about politics at every school (students and teachers alike). I tend to have as much issue with the radical liberals as the radical conservatives. However, if you don’t dwell on that in your everyday conversation (and really, who wants to talk about abortion rights over gelato?), I think you should be fine.</p>

<p>^^^southeast, I typically find your comments enlightening, but I think that was pretty uncalled for. Although this person may not be expressing his/her reservations as eloquently as others, they are the same issues that everyone else is dealing with, probably yourself included. Everyone is dealing with the fact that they think they aren’t good enough for Yale. Some people post chance threads, hoping for validation from people who don’t know a thing about the admissions process besides what they have read and where their friends and family have gotten into for the most part. Some people boast an aura of self-confidence, and don’t bother using boards like these for the amazing support they offer. And yet others, like the OP, like me, even lose a bit of faith in themselves, creating a facade of insecurity and excuses to prevent themselves from feeling the pain that a rejection might offer. I posted a similar thread to this one a few weeks ago, albeit with a facetious tone, and recieved a number of positive responses that encouraged me to continue believing in myself and to finish my application. The OP may not have sounded very intellegent, but that doesn’t mean he/she is “dumb” or unworthy to go to Yale. I think that it’s really important to be extra sensitive during this time…in essence, our futures are being decided right now, and we should only be trying to help one another, not knock others down on the trail to success. </p>

<p>Anyway…Hey President Dunn! Welcome the Yale board (not that I’m some sort Yale board mistress, but I’m a regular along with a bunch of other people). There are quite a few of us applying SCEA, and I hope that you will find this group of individuals really helpful because I think they’re a fantastic bunch. I hope that I can provide a unique perspective on some of your questions, because they are questions I’ve asked myself many times.</p>

<p>1. Telling people I am applying to Yale. The general shock involved and the “Wow! You’re so Smart!”</p>

<p>Haha, I’m always worried about telling people about my reach schools too. After a while, I’ve come to the conclusion that 1)you DONT have to tell everyone where you’re applying, and 2)you really shouldn’t care what others think too much. Honestly, if you think you can apply to Yale, you probably ARE intellegent. There’s nothing wrong with offering a sheepish smile and silently revelling in your brilliance. :)</p>

<p>2. (Eventually) telling people that I attend Yale.</p>

<p>Honestly, if you get into Yale, you’ll probably be so excited that you’ll want to tell people where you’re going! Hint: It’s a fantastic school!</p>

<p>3. I have a fear that I will be labeled some sort of elitist for the rest of my life if I attend.</p>

<p>Elitist people often attend schools like Yale, but attending Yale doesn’t make you elitist- if anything, people will immediately give you the sort of credit that you would have to work for if you had only attended, say, your state school. </p>

<p>4. It’s too cold in CT.</p>

<p>Um, have you ever been to the Northeast? It’s super cold only about 2 months, and cold-ish for 2 more months…that’s 8 months of beauty and warmth. I’d take winter anyday if it meant getting to experience the changing leaves, blooming flowers, SNOW, baby bunnies and summer rainstorms!</p>

<p>Edit…you’re a marylander? you should be ashamed for asking this…</p>

<p>5. Competitiveness. I hear it’s one of the least competitive of the Ivies, but I just want to know for sure. Like competitiveness once there, not to get in.</p>

<p>It’s really up to you to decide how competition affects you. My school has a lot of competitive people, but I am friends with many of them, and I find myself laughing at them stresssing out while they are often jealous of my lackadaisical attitude towards life. Honestly, just do what you do. I think you need to focus more upon yourself, and worry about what you have to do to succeed at Yale, sans the influence of others. If you continue to worry about what others are thinking and saying about you, you will always fail because you’re basing your perspective of yourself on your perceptions of others’ thoughts.</p>

<p>6. I’m a Republican. Enough said.</p>

<p>Again, who cares. I would just suggest having a strong basis for your ideals and being prepared for many arguments! No one will judge you if you can stand up for what you believe in. Pretty much any real liberal will tell you the sam ething.</p>

<p>7. I’m still undecided on either majoring in Poly Sci or Comp Sci. Are both of these programs amazing at Yale where when I eventually shift my focus to just one, it is a great program. Or is it too hard to double major if I continue to love both as much as I do now?</p>

<p>Everyone knows that Yale’s Political Science program is one of the most pretigious and best in the country. That’s all I can really tell you…</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Telling people I am applying to Yale. The general shock involved and the “Wow! You’re so Smart!”
-Let’s keep that on the down low for now… :)</p></li>
<li><p>(Eventually) telling people that I attend Yale.
-Let’s wait till the acceptance letter…</p></li>
<li><p>I have a fear that I will be labeled some sort of elitist for the rest of my life if I attend.</p></li>
<li><p>It’s too cold in CT.</p></li>
<li><p>Competitiveness. I hear it’s one of the least competitive of the Ivies, but I just want to know for sure. Like competitiveness once there, not to get in.</p></li>
<li><p>I’m a Republican. Enough said.</p></li>
<li><p>I’m still undecided on either majoring in Poly Sci or Comp Sci. Are both of these programs amazing at Yale where when I eventually shift my focus to just one, it is a great program. Or is it too hard to double major if I continue to love both as much as I do now?</p></li>
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<p>Refer to answer 2 for all your answers for now…</p>

<p>you should NOT be worried about being a republican at yale, honestly. coming from a high school that was literally 2% republican (we took frequent polls), i’m consistently surprised by the very, very strong and opinionated republican presence here; they’re a minority, for sure, but they’re pretty vocal. heck, i’m a libertarian and i’ve never met as many people who share my political beliefs. also–if you’re at all interested in the ypu (yale political union), you’ll make a close knit group of friends right away just by virtue of being in the same minority.</p>