<p>went to see years end students’ show.
they DO commercial digital stuff: greeting cards, invitations, mock posters, logos… ohhh flashbacks of tortures… lucky kids they are, don’t have to deal with xacto knives and rubber cement tin…but yet but yet, it was only one room only and pretty boring compare to other stuff Cooper is known for / good at: plywood, blue and pink essa forms, packing peanuts, popsicle sticks, pins, lots of pins, strings, tons of plasters.
I had to kill time before it’s official open hour
hefty security guard stopped me as usual " eh, ma’m, where you think you are going?"
so went to st Marks books and browsed, there was this book
[Amazon.com:</a> Art School: (Propositions for the 21st Century) (9780262134934): Steven Henry Madoff: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Art-School-Propositions-21st-Century/dp/0262134934/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274916383&sr=1-1]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Art-School-Propositions-21st-Century/dp/0262134934/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274916383&sr=1-1)</p>
<p>are you there fammom? This might answer your 50K question. published by MIT, edited by Yale, Artforum etc guy, brain side is covered. On art side, it is rather pretty book and was tempting but decide to wait.
Now, shoot, library has no copy…Amazon paperback still kinda high. besides, it might not even worth Cooper’s 7K question value, though sure enuff Cooper big shot was interviewed and sited along with the lady who get naked and do weired stuff and tons of people I should know who they are but I don’t.
It will be some long reading session at B&N.
Anyone read it? care to summarize?
I like the story of German design school Ms. Sejima now Venice bigshot built, kaelyn?</p>
<p>Not there yet or maybe no need, since all the construction seems ended this year.</p>
<p>the show runs for
art and eng: till June 19th
arch: till 26 (they are good, artsy, very pretty, much clean and skilled than art’s works)
M-Th 12-7, Sat 12-5 closed Fri, Sun and the Memorial day</p>
<p>At foundation building, you get to see effigy of Peter Cooper with mortarboard if you go now, and the teeterboard fixed onto the bike racks with some suspicious vice devise. It is a beautifully curved but barely sanded wood that leaking sap all over. I won’t try on it, then what’s the point? it’s like, sooo Cooper as everything else they do.</p>
<p>found the library copy!!! (dance) got have to wait my turn until … few weeks, hopefully.
to be continued</p>
<p>Let us know! It looks like a book my D would love, but I wouldn’t want it to scare her away…</p>
<p>I have three people waiting ahead of me for the one and only circulating copy, so went to B&N and did head-start.
I don’t know why (it wasn’t alphabetic order or any connection from one chapter to the next… maybe there is, I don’t see it yet.) first chapter is written by Hispanic artist / educator / (gasp) braggy zen Buddhist !! gawd there sure are enuff of them… and sort of gotten turned off…he says art schools should be 5 years and better have no major, famous artist with ego (like, himself?) should not be teaching etc etc… I thought I’d put back on the shelf already ( blasting endless 80s Madonna songs in the store did not help either) but it gets better and better, then some drop, sunk, then pick up, assortment bento box of art/brain twister.
I did 1/3 way then announcement of store closing in 30min thing came, skipped to the Cooper talk part.
The dean did not talk much but what artist from 60s / teachers talks are heartfelt. Now I know why they (kids) don’t have jobs. and why cooper does not need campus, because it is a good thing that, moment you’d step out of the school building, you are rubbing shoulder with rich - est folks in the world and/or bums, this life lesson without campus as a buffer is their best TA.
What do you make of that?</p>
<p>Different people seem to praise same thing often so far, NSCAD, Goldsmith, Calarts, Blackmountain… all in olden days. You’d want to go to Calarts in 70s but of course noone could. The point is about chemistry, it says, not the school itself but time, certain teachers, bunch of students together happened to be there were cooked together, then something happens and only know it from hindsight. It might or might never happen again.
Another thing that interesting is, more than few people wrote that we should head midwest if you were or believe to be NY oriented. Suppose it would be backward if the editor picked people from outside of the corridor. I have not gotten far enough to read the editor’s own piece, to be continued.</p>
<p>I think it is worth 7K questions, not sure about 50K
Here is one of the axioms from the Yale bigshot’s chapter
“Nonacademic artists are not our problem. They are their own problem.”
…ouch!</p>
<p>Here are the keywords!
“community” “Jeff Koons (with more than eighty assistants who paint for him so he doesn’t have to even touch it) " Mountain School of Art ( located in the back room of some bar in LA Chinatown)” “Beuys ( Joseph, Dusseldorf bigshot, kaelyn?)” (after) Duchamp" " CalArts (of olden days)" " Manifesta" </p>
<p>some chapters are nice, like what used to be and now happening in Argentina (fammom?), the naked performing lady, Bard MFA writing chair…
some were not so much, the editor’s piece was not clear, I have no idea what he wanted to say, what artistically " free" really mean by you mean, sir?</p>
<p>The end chapter was done by Canadian Chinese artist / educator in the form of excuse letter why he is in doubt of teaching in art school today.
Now I see that why the first chapter was the braggy self righteous one. CONTRAST! PROPORTION! TONE! (politically correctly start with Hispanic, end with Asian, sandwich Whites with sprinkle others) what Chinese guy is saying must be the conclusion and so very thought provoking but awful whinny… I do that sometimes too, sob stories. I think I 'd quit now on in the art turf. It is depressing… then again, the other axioms of the Yale guy was
" It is not right to affirm your identity by caricaturing other identities"
ouch.</p>
<p>I think it is safe to recommend to any fine art bound students with intention of going to grad school, practicing artist. most talks are more geared to grad school. though what you did UG matters. depth and breadth!! lotta other interest are total plus! artists got to be smart and interesting; psych, philosophy, science, lit, history, food, (gasp) religion
BA or BFA, where and how don’t really matter, like, Ohio State is actually HOT! Do good MFA but don’t just go there, work and live awhile to be ready, though market wants young fresh faces, in the long run it’s better slow sure and older wiser.
then again, One of big bucks artist says
" intellectual gratification cannot compete with financial rewards"</p>
<p>Wow, I think it would depress my D. It’s hard for her to sit back and analyze something that personally affects her. She’ll start second guessing all the schools she chose to refect and we don’t need that!!! Thanks for your book review.</p>
<p>yeah I hate to say that MICA, RISD, Pratt, SAIC, WashU, USC( totally ignored in LA at large, sorry Weaty) I don’t think ever even mentioned.
As if ArtCenter, Yale grad, Calarts (a lot) NSCAD, Beaux-Arts, some German or Scandinavian schools I can’t spell, few brit schools are the only ones that count.
Suppose anything that came out big after 50s 60s with foundation year are confused off-springs of Black Mountain which itself made out by uprooted exiles and token hires?
I don’t know, I should know if I’d research every artist, movement, events, places that mentioned and read all " should know about this!" sited books of every contributers’ lists, then will I have better idea?
I’d be older than 96 year old grandma grad by then. </p>
<p>It was fun, but not as much fun as all the Twilight series I read in stretch.</p>
<p>I think it’s best to use great caution when reading books about art. In some fields there seems to be a need for a lot of explanatory justification for what one is doing when in fact the work itself, if strong regardless of whether abstract, realism, conceptual, non-conceptual, commercial, non-commerical, should and if strong, will, stand on it’s own without all the mumbo-jumbo.</p>
<p>Once you need to have to start “explaining” I start to wonder why the piece itself, if good, isn’t conveying the message on it’s own.</p>
<p>And the same goes for a book about art school, once you need to start explaining why it’s such a great thing and why artists are so wonderful I begin to look with a bit of caution at said schools and artists. So perhaps it’s not such a bad thing to be “left out” of this book.</p>
<p>However, in defense of Jeff Koons, is he not using a time-old tradition when employing all those “painters.” How many of the great Italian “masters” actually put brush to canvas or ceiling all that often?</p>
<p>yay smarty !!!</p>
<p>big key word is " After Duchamp", remember? but someone did compare Koons to those masters. difference maybe is out of 80 something yunguns’ noone will be Michelangelo cause they aren’t learning the SKILL and bloody work ethics.
did you hear about the dead Vermeer forger who got to have official show of his work at museum because he was that good and famous, but his kid looked at works those said to be his and said they are fake! so had to taken out.</p>
<p>isn’t it great?</p>
<p>there is this forest and walkway made out of bamboo and tie-line growing on the roof of Met.
It sure convey general public of its greatness already. people love it !!
it is so popular, was one way traffic today and had to go down the stairs from the back of the exhibition.
if you go that way, what you get to see is the surgery area, hacked off dead branches and leaves piling up near mounds of black industrial sized plastic trash bags.
The selling point here is the twin artists (SMFA MFAs) are in present and keep working on ever growing piece but it seems they must took day off for the holiday.
when I see bamboo, what I think is how long it take for them to mature, you should never waste it in any form, there are spirits within ( loyal princes could be found in it, seriously), is now rather short supply because it became fad in decorative, interior, exterior even clothing business and chopped down en masse, here they are, great art piece with garbage bag full of excess to go with.
If there is clear explanation what ‘a meaning of all this, where and how they got tons of bamboo, what are they going to do with them after Met is done with it, it make me feel better and will appreciate more of their fabulous art.
It is more of receiving end’ s problem. (me)
Not everyone is smarty like you.</p>
<p>There is nothing more beautiful than a hillside of bamboo dance waving in the wind.</p>
<p>crouching tiger hidden dragon…</p>
<p>gentle fluttering leaves
with roots far stronger
than the crouching tiger hidden dragon
flow easily, stay rooted as you move into your new lives</p>
<p>You know bears I think we’ve hit on a “slogan” for those graduating here
“Be Like Bamboo”
Hidden roots spreading influence throughout the garden of life (yeah, I know, its sugary ick)
and keeping you firmly grounded
while you flow and move easily in the breeze bending and trying all the directions life and learning pushes your towards
and of course then there’s that dancing part that’s the having lots of fun also but if you’re like bamboo your roots will be so strong you’ll be able to dance even wildly sometimes without loosing your grounding
Genki desu?</p>
<p>If Cooper had a “poetry” department and I applied I highly doubt I’d gain entrance through those hallowed doors! But heh, it’s still a good way of thinking.</p>
<p>you are making me hungry talking about bamboo roots. japanese devour bamboo shoots =baby bamboo (now do I have right to complain about Met or the twin artists? )
you’d walk on bamboo forest and “feel” the baby underground, dig them up when they are young and tender, boil them with eh… rice wash scum to get bitterness out, cut them up in shape of geisha fans stew them and eat them. The tippy top is the best part.</p>
<p>smarty, kaelyn, this thread hit eleven hundred views! number went up kind of quick.
doubt people read everything that was off topic but Cooper’s name means really something, no?</p>
<p>hallooo
smarty, kaelyn, OP
say something
twelve hundreds and counting!</p>