Cornell re-implements controversial "guaranteed transfer plan" ???

@moneydad, @privatebanker, @TomSrOfBoston

It appears that Cornell has re-implemented their controversial “guaranteed transfer plan” for the School of Arts and Sciences (in the form of a “Transfer Option Letter”). Can anyone explain this?
http://as.cornell.edu/transfer-option-information

Below is a 2011 NY Times article and Cornell’s rebuttal. At that time they had dropped the guaranteed transfer plan for the College of Arts and Sciences, the College of Engineering and the College of Architecture, due to the “specialized nature of their curricula” but they kept it in place for the “contract colleges”. Since the “contract colleges” seemingly are the ones with specialized curricula, this does not make sense to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/education/11accept.html
http://cornellsun.com/2011/05/04/cornell-administrators-dispute-new-york-times-transfer-article/

@Mastadon But that Transfer Option does not guarantee acceptance.

@TomSrOfBoston - And why do they need this “transfer option”?

https://sha.cornell.edu/admissions-programs/undergraduate/how-to-apply/transfer-option-faq.html#about-transfer-offers

I have no affiliation with Cornell. I just find the Guaranteed Transfer Option, which has been copied by many universities, to be an unfair option both for the student and the university they attend as freshmen.

I am out of this conversation to avoid any controversy but agree with Tom Sr.

Seems like there is no guarantee or promise of any preference over other transfer applicants.

I.e. is it anything more than marketing to increase the number of transfer applicants?

the only advantage is application fee waived, bogus

People call it a “guaranteed transfer,” but it’s not 100% guaranteed. But it’s not like a regular transfer either. It is pretty much guaranteed if the student meets all the criteria. And it’s a simplifed process.

so another advantage is no new letter of recommendation or essay needed? then not so bogus :-j

Basically redo all AP courses will do!

I know a bunch of students from middle class upstate NY areas that had the T/O to CALS over the years. Most go to a CC for a year to save money. A few go to a SUNY University or College and dorm. I don’t remember anyone going to a private college like the NYU girl but it probably happens in the more affluent towns, where SUNY is a 4 letter word.

I don’t know how each college handles the T/O but for CALS:
While not guaranteed, take the EXACT classes cornell specifies, get the required grades, and you are in.

Community college does not meet the requirements for the TO. It has to be a four-year college. However, Cornell has articulation agreements with many community colleges around the state, wherein Cornell agrees to accept transfers from those CCs who meet certain criteria. But that’s not the same as the TO.

FWIW, the students I know with the CALS T/O, went to one of the CCs with the articulation agreement. Maybe that’s why it worked out. It was a few years ago, so things might have changed.

Hmmm, seems that neither the A&S nor the HA transfer option web pages (linked in post #0 and reply #2) specifies that the other college must be a four year school, or that it cannot be a community college.

I don’t recall ever reading that it has to be a 4-year college. Though I’m no expert on it.
Over the years, reading here on CC, I think there were people who went to a community college first.
A number of people went to someplace like Binghamton or Geneseo. Some of those people didn’t ultimately transfer. I recall one who still wanted to but didn’t make the required GPA.
Then there were people who went to other schools of high repute that admitted them. I can’t recall reading about any of those people ultimately transferring to Cornell.

As indicated Cornell already accepts credits earned at community colleges by other applicants, aside from the TO applicants, and admits them. But their typical GPA is likely a lot higher than 3.0

Of course people transfer to Cornell anyway, completely aside from the transfer option program.

It was that way last time I looked. Maybe it has changed. It would say in the notification letter, if anyone cares to post it here.

I guess my notion came from posts like #4 and #6 here:
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19230553#Comment_19230553
But the policies could have changed at various points.

My son did the GT to the Hotel School. He attended a well thought of university in Boston, did very well, and transferred for his sophomore year. We all would have preferred a direct admit to the Hotel School but definitely preferred Cornell to the Boston school, although I personally enjoyed visiting him in Boston. My advice is go to a school for freshman year that you like, in case you change your mind about the transfer, or in case something prevents the transfer (like a rough adjustment period and bad grades).

@TomSrOfBoston -

I am not aware of any school with a truly “guaranteed” transfer program. The ones that I am aware of are really “conditional” transfer programs where the participant has to meet certain criteria to be accepted.

There are some schools that I am aware of that use “guaranteed” in the name of one of their transfer programs, (UVA and the UC system), but they also have criteria associated with them that have to be met. Note that these programs are designed to encourage in-state community college students to continue their education by making it easier to enroll in a batchelors degree program at these state universities. Note that they do not involve applying to and being rejected from the state university. Although Cornell has state-supported colleges, it does not appear to have any such programs for community college students. Some of Cornell’s state-supported colleges do have “articulation agreements” with certain in-state community colleges, but these are basically guidelines on which courses to take at a particular community college in order to make it easier to transfer credit to a particular batchelors program.

Non of these programs/agreements are particularly controversial.

UVA “guaranteed” transfer plan
https://admission.virginia.edu/sites/admission2016.virginia.edu/files/VCCS%20UVA%20Transfer%20Agreement%20Arts%20and%20Sciences.pdf

UC System “guaranteed” transfer plan
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/counselors/files/tag-matrix.pdf

Cornell’s articulation agreements
https://admissions.cals.cornell.edu/apply/transfer/transfer-agreements
https://www.human.cornell.edu/admissions/transfer/articulationagreements

The controversial Cornell programs are those which involve applying to a particular college of Cornell, getting rejected and then being offered the option to join a special program that allows you to transfer to Cornell more easily at a later date. The specifics of the programs vary a little from college to college but they are all named "Transfer Option Programs ". People tend to refer to them as “guaranteed transfer programs” which can be confusing. I am not sure why people use the “guaranteed” term for these programs (it could be historical), but it does cause confusion.

I found Transfer Option Programs for all the undergrad colleges except Engineering and Architecture.