Cornell vs. JHU vs. Duke PREMED

[neb_nurbel]

<p>that they will slit your jugular while you’re sleeping…haha…jk</p>

[Sam_Lee]

<p>collegekid,</p>

<p>By the way, the WSJ should be taken with a grain of salt. For some reason, the stanford’s law/business and northwestern’s kellogg aren’t on the list! Their list of professional schools favors east coast schools big time. Stanford still manages to rank the 4th. Put in Stanford’s law and business schools, as they should be, I am sure Stanford would rank #2 instead in the survey. Northwestern would be ranked higher too if Kellogg was one of their top 5 professional schools (I’ve never seen any ranking that doesn’t have Kellogg in the top 5 except this WSJ!).</p>

[sakky]

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Your argument consists of far too few schools. HYPS are all either ranked higher or tied with MIT in the rankings so saying they have higher acceptance rates to med schools isn’t saying much. What are some lower ranked, grade-inflated schools that have significantly higher acceptance rates than MIT?

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<p>Easy. Duke - 85%.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.aas.duke.edu/trinity/prehealth/appendix/[/url]”>http://www.aas.duke.edu/trinity/prehealth/appendix/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“BTW:%20Where%20did%20you%20find%20the%20acceptance%20figures%20for%20Harvard,%20Yale,%20and%20Stanford?%20Or%20did%20you%20simply%20assume%20they%20had%2090%%20acceptance%20rates%20because%20Princeton%20does?”>quote</a>

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<p>I’ve seen the actual Harvard data with my own eyes. Harvard only keeps their data only in hardcopy, but I have seen it. For Yale and Stanford, I had other people check for me (Yale and Stanford also keep their data only in hardcopy). </p>

<p>However, if you don’t believe me, I invite you to go see it for yourself. </p>

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Have you considered the fact that MIT just plain sucks for premd (irrespective of how tough its grading is)? MIT is known for cranking out great engineers, not doctors.

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<p>Yet isn’t it interesting that the schools that happen to suck for premed also happen to be the ones that have grade deflation? I would turn the question around and ask you, which school sucks for premed, yet has lots of grade inflation? </p>

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All of the schools you mentioned (HYPS) have a greater proportional of humanities majors applying to med school. Even if all of the grades were equalized, a humanities major with a 3.50 GPA will still be taken over a biology major with a 3.50 GPA simply because humanities majors are more rare. Therefore, any school with a high % of humanities majors applying will have an advantage over any school with a high % of engineers applying.

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<p>Which only gets back to what I’ve been saying before - if you want to maximize your chances of getting into med-school, go to a grade inflated school. What you’re trying to say is that the grade inflation itself is not the issue, but something that happens to be correlated with grade-inflated schools (like a strong humanities orientation) that is the real root cause. Fair enough, but the basic point is still the same. Whether it’s because of grade inflation, or because of something that is correlated with grade inflation, the bottom line is that you want to go to a school that has lots of grade inflation, whether or not it is the grade inflation itself, or something correlated with the grade inflation, that is the root force. </p>

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Have you examined the individual applicant characteristics from each school? The only way you can say that a grade inflation is beneficial for med school is to present evidence that applicants from MIT and Princeton have the same EC’s, same quality of recommendations, same MCAT scores, etc. with their only difference being GPA. Otherwise, how do you know that it’s the grades and not the lack of extracirriculars on the part of MIT applicants that’s preventing them from getting into med school? I would argue that the type of person who is an engineer (a person who tends to be anti-social, nerdy, studies a lot and doesn’t do much else, and all the other stereotypes) is precisely the type of applicant that med schools don’t want. Therefore, any school with a high percentage of engineers applying would have lower acceptance rates, regardless of whether the school is grade inflated or not.

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<p>It’s not like MIT premeds are stupid. I think they know full well that med-schools want to see EC’s. So if you’re correct and MIT applicants don’t have a lot of EC’s, then why not? I would argue that it is precisely because MIT’s culture discourages EC’s that may be the real harm here. After all, as MIT students will surely agree, MIT gives you so much work that you don’t have time to do a lot of EC’s. Like you said, med-school adcoms aren’t going to care why you don’t have a lot of EC’s, all they’re going to care about is that you don’t have a lot of EC’s. </p>

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5. The fact that MIT has the same acceptance rate of much lower ranked schools like Notre Dame or Cornell suggests that MIT has a weakness in its premed program. Since I’m not a MIT student I don’t know what that weakness may be. Either it has subpar professors in premed courses (and therefore, it’s students are not adequately prepared for the MCAT) or poor premed advisors or SOMETHING.

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<p>Exactly Exactly Exactly. You are exactly right. There is something wrong at MIT. There is also probably something wrong at a lot of grade-deflated schools like Berkeley. I am not saying that I am sure that it is grade inflation that is the true cause. I believe that it is, but I am not sure. However, nevertheless, it seems to be indisputable that grade deflation and relatively low premed placement rates go together, for some reason. I’m not sure why, and you’re not sure why. But what we do know is that they go together. Hence, the bottom line is then you shouldn’t go to a grade deflated school if you want to maximize your chances of getting into med-school. It doesn’t really matter why that is the case, it only matters that it is the case.</p>

[xclusive_azian_shawti]

<p>y is baltimore such a bad place?? my brother graduated from the naval academy in annapolis and he says baltimore is greatt…i wanna apply ED to JHU but now im not so sure…y does everyone say the city is so vicious???</p>

[bored299]

<p>bump bump bump</p>

[AtlanticCoastDoc]

<p>Duke, no brainer. Excellent pre-health committee that has significance influence within the medical community when they write you your application recommendation, recently restructured their pre-med classes to make them more stream-lined, and because Duke pumps out so many doctors, the Duke medical alumni network is second to none (this is an intangible that I am beginning to see payoff even in medical school when it comes to access to research with other Duke alums, social events that are great for networking, etc).</p>