<p>“dontno, get over yourself why don’t you?”</p>
<p>Thank youuu</p>
<p>Race yet AGAIN? Geeze. Why can’t people just hate Obama for other reasons.</p>
<p>Random thought: The stock market fell when Obama won a primary, and usually went up went Hillary won a primary. It wasn’t a rule - but happened almost everytime.</p>
<p>@ applejack</p>
<p>Of course the essay is biased against Obama. i don’t dispute that. But what makes that essay substantial is the quoting of Obama’s own words and experiences. He quotes heavily from Obama’s two autobiographies and his history as a “community organizer”. I guess taking someone’s own speeches and written work isn’t valid anymore. Darn! [Note: sarcasm]</p>
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<p>I’ll concede this. As much I’m worried by his racial views, I do fully agree that he’s engaged in much self-reflection. I also believe him to be extremely intelligent, but I worry about how much of an identity crisis he harbors. This is a guy who has spent his entire life trying to become authentically black. In doing so, he ignores half of his ancestry and attempts to join a group of which he does not fully belong, both culturally and genetically.</p>
<p>@ s.dot (Jay-Z reference?):</p>
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<p>More profound ruminations from [OK sorry, but I’ve had enough of your illogical, insulting, and vacuous statements in this thread], clearly, an affirmative action admit. Obama is not BLACK, he’s biracial, like Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, Tiger Woods, etc. I love how blacks are so desperate to define him as black and ignore half of his family. Ironic that in 2000 Obama lost a Senate Race in a district that is 65% black because he wasn’t “black enough.” I have no problem with a biracial or black candidate winning the White House; Colin Powell coming to mind. I have a problem with people distorting who they are in order to garner more support.</p>
<p>People will vote for Obama because no one will vote for McCain for perpetuating war in Iraq. I suspect McCain will win in November due to his lousy speech he gave today. He makes ignorant claims without any proof to back up. And I quote a democrat who supported Clinton; “If Obama wins the democratic convention, then I will vote for him… oh and, I will never, never, vote for McCain.” (From a Canadian who pays attention to U.S. politics. :D)</p>
<p>It’s not necessarily true (or false) that Obama is the best candidate out of all the contenders on both democratic and republican side, but it is true that McCain is worse.</p>
<p>^ Shifu…that makes…no sense.</p>
<p>First you said no one will vote for McCain. Then you said “I suspect McCain will win in November due to his lousy speech he gave today.” - So do you think he’s going to win or lose? And why would he win because of a LOUSY speech? </p>
<p>Then you went on to quote someone, “I will never vote for McCain.” but then you said they are a CANADIAN - i.e. can’t vote anyway?</p>
<p>It’s not “true (or false)”? Then what is it?</p>
<p>Seriously, is that a joke post?</p>
<p>Sorry. I meant that “I suspect McCain won’t win in November.”</p>
<p>And the I-am-a-Canadian line refers to me. XD… No need to get all angry and stuff. Afterall, you’re a Cornell student! Congratz!!!</p>
<p>Insulted dontno? Glad you noticed. Just like your ridiculous generalization that “blacks are so desperate” to claim anyone as being anything but what they are. I’m not even going to get into your silly notion about his biraciality, because we all know biracial in Black and white terms means Black, plain and simple. Why do you try to make things so complicated? </p>
<p>And the fact that Colin Powell, Obama, Condoleeza and so many other “biracial” and/or very fair-skinned Blacks are much more likely than dark-skinned Blacks to occupy top positions of power is a topic for another discussion, although I’m kinda curious to know whether you’d ever admit such bias exists.</p>
<p>But anyway, to sum up, Obama will win.</p>
<p>^ Doubt it.</p>
<p>I doubt McCain will win. The U.S. will languid if McCain wins.</p>
<p>It’s quite fascinating how poor of a campaign McCain is running and how unsure and insecure he seems, yet how well he is doing.</p>
<p>People are clearly having trouble seeing Barack for who he is and are rather getting caught up in race and religion issues.</p>
<p>I saw a piece last night on CNN where they interviewed people in a town called Copperhill, Tennessee. Everybody thought Obama was Muslim and when pressed on this falicy one guy said, “Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t sound Anglo-Saxon to me.” </p>
<p>How ignorant does one have to be to think all Christians are Anglo-Saxon? Step off Phillipines and South America. You need European blood to follow Christ. </p>
<p>If McCain wins, it will be due to this level of pervasive ignorance that fears Obama more than likes McCain.</p>
<p>I completely agree applejack, McCain caters to those voters who are 250% ignorant of what’s going on in the world. The kind of people who think that if you’re not a W.A.S.P. you’re worthless, and the kind of people who hate everyone else. McCain is likely to win, since the US is chock-full of extremely ignorant and arrogant people who do not want to think outside of the confines of their blinders.
I don’t particularly like Obama, since I’m a Clinton supporter, but I would rather see our country go FORWARD under obama than continue retrogressing under McCain/Bush Numero Tres.</p>
<p>^^Count dontno among those 250% ignorant of what’s going on in the world.</p>
<p>^^Count dontno among those 250% ignorant of what’s going on in the world.</p>
<p>I think it would help Obama’s cause if he chooses Clinton as his VP</p>
<p>I 100% agree, but I’m doubtful that it’ll happen, unfortunately.
Clinton would make an amazing VP (but an even better Prez)</p>
<p>“People are clearly having trouble seeing Barack for who he is…”</p>
<p>No - it’s people that are fooled by his facade that vote for him. Those who see who he is are the ones NOT voting for him.</p>
<p>“McCain caters to the ignorant”</p>
<p>A great deal of his supporters probably aren’t the brightest in the world - but that’s just a Republican trend. That’s why the south and midwest is solid republican - not a high concentration of college educated people, ect. But there is another segment of McCain’s supporters who are using him simply to get rid of Obama. For those of us who really do research, instead of reading the politician’s website or watching biased news, we really hate Obama. We’re using McCain to get rid of Obama - McCain will last 4 years, and we get a new democrat. The end.</p>
<p>Well, soccer guy, hate is such a strong emotion. I don’t understand why you put so much emotion into perfect strangers.</p>
<p>There are many of us who have read beyond the hype and the extraordinarily biased news (just look at how they all started calling Obama “arrogant” when the McCain campaign told them to) and still believe Obama will be a very strong and progressive leader.</p>
<p>If you’re looking for a flawless god in office, then you’re going to be out of luck. But Obama, flaws and all, seems to make strong decisions when they need to be made. </p>
<p>I was behind Clinton before, but I’ve come to see the doors Obama’s policies and character could open in the Middle East and Europe, as well as here at home for the most oppressed. We may well become the America we imagine ourselves to be.</p>
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I would say it hurts Obama to pick Hillary. Picking her would energize the Republican base. Many people are voting for McCain because they don’t want to vote for Obama. NOw, some people who might stay home will go out to vote against Hillary. Most Hillary supporters would go out to vote for Obama anyway. If you’re all about women’s rights, why stay home and let a Republican win which might cause Roe v Wade to be overturned? If you cared about anything Hillary stood for (aside from being a woman) you would vote for Obama because he and Hillary had almost identical stances on most major issues.</p>
<p>Also, Obama will have to deal with Hillary for 4 years or maybe even 8. She is not a VP. She is a Prez. It’ll drive him crazy having a VP with another adgenda whose main goal is running in 2016 rather than fully supporting him. Thats still ignoring how much Bill might hurt his campaign. There is too much downside with Hillary and not enough upside. Obama would be better off getting a VP from a swing state, getting someone he is comfortable with, or getting someone with a lot of experience. Richardson, Kaine, Biden, and others would work a lot better than Hillary.</p>
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<p>Oh yeah - and to aptly named dontno, you clearly do not understand the long history of “community organizing” and “economic injustice” in this nation and around the world. </p>
<p>The commentator perceives any dynamic in which people help other people as “socialist” rather than simply trying to fill in the blanks where capitalism has failed. There is a difference and your insistence that he’s using “Obama’s own words” is simply a lack of understanding of what this work really is.</p>
<p>The people for which Obama was working as a community organizer when he was younger have to fear walking outside their door because of the violence created by the only thriving inner city industry (drugs). They have to fight nearby industries to get them to simply spray water on toxic piles so that toxic dust stops blowing through their neighborhood and inflicting their children and themselves with asthma and other diseases. They have to fight tooth and nail with city governments to have them simply send a dump truck by so the residents themselves can get rid of rat and disease infested trash.</p>
<p>These are the people for whom the capitalist system has failed. These are the people for whom Obama worked not to undermine capitalism but to fill in the blanks.</p>
<p>You seem to live in a fantasy world in which all it takes is hard work to get to a great school and into a $100,000 career. I can guarantee you that if you had these struggles facing you everyday, you would not be at one of the best institutions of higher learning in the country.</p>
<p>Community organizing and “economic justice” are not code words for socialism. They are very real disparaties the market economy simply cannot fix without help. That is why you, and the op-ed writer you posted, are wrong.</p>