Coronavirus and US Campus issues

@momofsenior1 It’s been Purdue’s communications throughout this pandemic that I have enjoyed reading the most. Thanks for posting.

@momzilla2D - Purdue has done a great job of communicating all along. The second our D was accepted, we started getting parent communications every week. I’m happy they’ve continued through this pandemic so we’re informed.

Purdue’s overcrowding may become even more of a problem if they indeed re-open campus this fall.

Sometimes she watches it live, but sometimes she doesn’t, must be the reason she prefers the recording.

But they don’t record it for in person class as far as I know. Except for the computer class she took last year CS61A, all recorded.

I remember decades ago that Biology 1A and 1B were always offered at MWF 8-9am, but they recorded the lecture and replayed it at MWF 12-1pm in a lecture hall with televisions. Organic chemistry courses (both the chemistry / chemical engineering version and the biology version) were always offered at TuTh 8-930am.

@ucbalumnus I am curious, did you take Ochem from Vollhardt?

Did not take organic chemistry, but I just heard plenty of stories from biology majors and pre-meds.

@Vulcan - Purdue’s new dorms are opening this Fall.

I like Purdue communication unlike these other colleges that have no plan whatsoever or they have a plan but are trying to secretly exploit students.

@guava123 well it’s been said a number of times now but colleges are not secretly exploiting students. Even schools that are communicating well are saying they do not know if kids will be on campus. Most schools are planning for multiple scenarios. Do you know what your life will look like in Sept? Nope. So they don’t know either. We don’t know if certain states will be more safe, if people will be able to travel, etc.

S19’s school has a task force looking at every possible option. They won’t even report their findings until mid-June. The task force includes students, faculty and staff and the school is asking parents for input as well. Schools will also be working within the limitations set by their governors and we are still four months away from the start of school.

. ^^^^ every school will work within their ability with their state. All these messages from the colleges are very, very similar. Because honestly they just don’t know. I think it would be foolish to not think of some sort of hybrid learning. If fall starts normally then it goes bad the colleges will want to act fast and decisive. Like “Next Monday we will be on online learning till further notice” Swift and confident like they actually had a plan in place and they actually know what their doing with no interruption of learning. That to me is key. They are figuring out now what is working well and what is not working well. They also have the summer to get some professors, courses, majors up to speed. I would think things will go much better on the next inertia of online testing. The pass /fail /take the higher grade is because these kids now are the practice group. Don’t think that will be the case the next time.

I would also think that maybe there would be some online learning and or testing incorporated in the fall. Maybe like online quizzes that can help your grade etc just to get everyone ready for the next time. So it won’t be a foreign adventure.

Is any news about Georgia tech and Umich? I do not commit now,

Each school president has released similar statements. I can’t find it now but Google them. All are optimistic to start in some variation in the fall. Georgia scares me a bit since their governor is opening this weekend. To me this can just increase the chance of the virus getting more people sick and not flattening the curve to its lowest portion. This could make more people sick in the fall which would close schools. Just a commentary here. Both amazing schools. My kids at Michigan and their communication has been great and their course of action was great but this is to be expected by all these schools.

When the Ohio governor closed “schools” for the remainder of the academic year this week (and by schools he means K-12), he raised the possibility of “blended learning” for fall. I personally think that K-12 will be opening up well before colleges, and will provide some sort of a model for how the classroom part of college will go.

The uncertainty is hard but I don’t want any decisions from my kids’ colleges now. The longer they can wait and act upon the latest conditions and information, the better. I realize it is super hard for those trying to make their college decision, but I think that any plans announced now are 100% subject to change. Not announcing plans for fall now seems like a positive, not a negative (to me).

I’m sure all of the schools are making multiple scenarios behind the scenes with the goal of getting kids back on campus as fast as they safely and legally can, for many reasons including getting everyone back to paying full room and board and tuition.

I don’t understand how K-12 schools could open before colleges. My kids’ HS has 4,000 students which is much denser (more kids in fewer buildings, all at the same time) than D19’s 2,000 student college.

Not to mention the HS students and staff go home every night to their families, each of which had dozens/hundreds/thousands of daily contacts with others, then the students and staff go back to school the next day.

^K-12 schools would open before colleges because, other than boarding schools, their students are local. The countries that are opening their K-12 schools now are doing so in phases (starting with graduating classes first, for example).

Why does ‘local’ matter? Many HS faculty and staff have one hour+ long commutes. It’s the density of contact, length/degree of sustained contact, and number of daily exposures that ultimately is what matters.

Edited to add: HS students, teachers and staff will be going home to family member who were not necessarily ‘local’ that day or week…many will have traveled (whether by car, train, or plane) to decidedly non-local areas.

Of course it matters. If the staff are within commuting distance, they’re still local. If the spread of the virus is under control “locally”, it’s much more likely to not have to face another wave of infections than a college with students coming from hot spots around the country and the world.

The K12 schools will open because parents need to work, and one of their many functions is to provide childcare.

I agree.

One of my points above was that thinking of my kids’ HS of 4,000 students and hundreds of staff members as ‘local’ is naive. The students and staff all go home every night to their families, many of whom regularly travel.

Even though travel may still be depressed come fall, we are still talking large numbers of exposures to non-local cities and states at many K-12 schools, every day. Seems like fewer non-local exposures at my kid’s 2,000 person college, at least once the students are there and cleared from infection (assuming adequate testing measure are in place).