Coronavirus in the US

"While a new social solidarity and spirit of self-sacrifice seem to be manifesting themselves in this pandemic, can it endure?

Is the country prepared for months, or years, of social isolation, if that is what is required to win this war?

It is a question that needs to be addressed.

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But whatever the success of Asian nations in containing the virus, are we politically and socially able to impose the same draconian measures?

Ordering people to “shelter in place” in their own homes, not just for days or weeks but months — can this be done in a free society, as it can be done in the surveillance state of Communist China?

Can mayors and governors of beach towns along the East Coast from Maine to Miami, and the Gulf Coast from Florida to Texas, keep tens of millions from gathering on beaches this summer?

Last week, we saw college kids cavorting on Florida’s beaches, despite warnings that any one among them infected with COVID-19 could transmit it to the rest, leading to grave illness and, in some cases, death.

Moreover, they could become carriers of the disease to parents and siblings. They did not seem to care.

As Prohibition proved, Americans are a rule-breaking people.

Scores of thousands are injured in auto accidents and thousands killed each year from driving under the influence of alcohol, despite tough laws against drunk driving.

Since the 1960s, laws against the use of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, have not halted the rampant ingestion of illegal narcotics and dangerous drugs.

We are endlessly admonished that climate change poses an existential threat to the planet. But have the elites who profess to believe this given up flying in private jets?Have Americans given up their SUVs or ceased to heat their homes with oil and gas?

Are parents going to be able to confine to their homes children whose lives are built around friends on playgrounds? Is the crowd on Martha’s Vineyard going to give up socializing to prevent the spread of the coronavirus?

In the '60s, we were told that the correlation between cigarette smoking and lung cancer, emphysema and heart disease, is absolute. Yet 34 million Americans continue to risk shortening their lives by smoking.

Seniors and elderly, among whom the mortality rate from the coronavirus is the highest — 15% of those over 80 in one estimate — may shelter in place for months.

But if, in diverse cities, minority communities come out for block parties in summer, are we going to have the police march them back into their homes? Do we have enough cops for that?

A prediction: The longer the orders to shelter in place and self-isolate remain in force, the greater the probability they will begin to be ignored and people will take the risks to end their isolation and be with friends.

Will Americans suffer in social isolation, inside their own homes for months, while a state-induced Great Depression washes over the land?

My guess is that many will rebel."

[Pat Buchanan opinion piece from a few days ago. Whatever people think of Buchanan, he is an astute observer of the United States and he represents the thinking of a significant part of the population]

Also selfishness. He was still in the gym this morning and had lunches with his senate colleagues in the last few days, while he was concerned enough to get tested.

"New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said the coronavirus pandemic will worsen in the next few months and urged the federal government to employ the U.S. military to help combat the outbreak.

“The president will not lift a finger to help his hometown. … I can’t be blunt enough: If the president does not act, people will die who could have lived otherwise,” the mayor said on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.”

The mayor said that ventilators produced anywhere in the country should be sent to New York within the next 10 days. The state has become the most affected area in the country and is seeing a surge in cases every day.

A bulk of the cases are in New York City, which now accounts for about one-third of all cases in the country.

“Our federal government needs to be in this fight rather than on the sidelines,” de Blasio said."

De Blasio refused to close schools until not too long ago and he was exposing his own staff while going to the gym with an entourage.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/bill-de-blasio-gym-coronavirus/index.html
He can’t blame Cuomo, because too many vital pieces of the city are actually controlled by the state ( plus Cuomo is actually much more effective ) but he has to blame somebody. He’s no Giuliani, that’s for sure.

New York state now has 15,168 confirmed cases, up 4,812 from yesterday. DS and his fiance live and work in Manhattan, and are leaving the city today for an extended visit with us. They’re leaving an island with a population density of 70,826 per square mile to a similar size island with 402 people per square mile. Seems prudent.

Fortunately, they’re both able to work remotely and their employers are supportive of the decision.

They might have to ringfence NYC! Anyone remember “Escape from New York” lol? Loved that movie.

Page 3, tentative investigational treatment protocol :

http://www.med.umich.edu/asp/pdf/adult_guidelines/COVID-19-treatment.pdf

Why the heck is the Congressional gym even open?

Coronavirus could destroy 10 million US jobs, economists fear
While experts disagree on the scale of the impact on workers, the hit is likely to be swift and severe.

by Ben Piven, Al Jazeera

With the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic still far from clear, researchers in the United States are struggling to come to grips with many American jobs could be lost to the crisis.

Many economists suggest that even with an unprecedented intervention by the federal government and the US Federal Reserve, millions of jobs could be permanently erased within months.

On Thursday, a US government report showed that 281,000 Americans were let go from their jobs the previous week-a 33 percent spike over the last report. But many analysts believe the number is set to skyrocket.

Goldman Sachs economists see initial jobless claims jumping to 2.25 million when data is released next week - an eightfold increase, and also a record. Bank of America sees three million Americans filing for initial unemployment insurance. More conservative estimates are targeting one million jobless claims.

When jobs are lost - even temporarily - financial lives are derailed, placing families and individuals under enormous stress.

Some businesses though may never recover, resulting in permanent job losses. It depends on the trajectory of the economy and how quickly it can bounce back from the coronavirus blow.

Goldman Sachs sees US economic growth plummeting 24 percent between April and June and unemployment peaking at 9 percent in the coming months.

Those predictions - like most for the US and global economies of late - could be revised yet again.

Right now, economists believe that the disruption will be temporary for many sectors of the economy and that many people who have been laid off over coronavirus closures will likely have a job again on the other side of this crisis.

But lost wages, sinking investments and insecure futures might extend well beyond 2020.

Sounding the alarm
As lawmakers on Capitol Hill horse trade over what could be a $1 trillion-plus economic stimulus package to offset the ravages of coronavirus, economists are sounding the alarm about the stakes for American workers.

“The measures needed to contain the virus inevitably will reduce demand for a host of services, and there will be massive job losses,” said Brad Setser, a senior fellow for international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations. “It is vital to put in place effective policies to provide income support to those who currently cannot work.”

Setser told Al Jazeera that containing the spread of the virus necessitates measures that will precipitate a steep fall in economic output.

“Once the virus is contained, then the economy should recover,” he said, “but steps need to be taken now to preserve those jobs.”

Robert Scott, a senior economist at the progressive-leaning Economic Policy Institute, says the US needs a “huge fiscal stimulus”. But he does not believe that US President Donald Trump and Congress will produce a package that sufficiently stems the bleeding.

“I’m not betting my pension on it,” he told Al Jazeera.

Scott believes workers are facing a bigger shock than the one delivered by the 2008 financial crisis.

“We lost more than 6.2 percent of total jobs in the Great Recession,” he said, noting that the labour force has swelled since then. “If this recession is only that large, 9.5 million jobs will be lost. I fear that it could be larger,” said Scott, confirming that 10 million job losses is not out of the question.

Scott - like many economists - thinks low-wage service workers will be hit hardest, while higher-wage professional workers in areas such as law, accounting, finance and management will remain employed - with generous sick leave, vacation policies, and the ability to telework.

Scott Sumner, an economist with the libertarian-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University told Al Jazeera that travel, transportation, energy, and services where people interact - such as restaurants and hotels - will be the most severely impacted by job losses. He said that construction and manufacturing could also suffer large layoffs, furloughs and pay reductions.

Sumner is predicting that the economic toll could be “the worst since the 1930s”. However, if a vaccine is commercialised by late 2021, he believes “the duration should be much shorter than the Great Depression”.

Analysts are hedging their forecasts, noting that until the outbreak peaks, it is hard to predict when the US economy will bounce back from the crisis.

Robert Kahn, director of global strategy and global macro at risk advisory and consultancy firm Eurasia Group, told Al Jazeera that because the US economy is “starting from a strong position”, many firms “will try and retain labour”.

Kahn believes the top priority for US officials should be “to address the urgent needs of the sick and vulnerable”, while the US central bank, the Federal Reserve, should keep unleashing crisis-era measures to make sure banks can still extend credit to businesses that need it.

As for workers, Kahn said “those that can work remotely will do better than those who need high engagement to find or perform work.”

Workers best-positioned to weather the storm
Moody’s Investors Service has compiled a list of sectors it believes have the lowest exposure to COVID-19 fallout including the IT software, telecoms, food and beverage retailers, healthcare and pharmaceuticals.

Daniel, who asked Al Jazeera to withhold his surname to protect his privacy, is a data scientist working under contract for the Social Security Administration. He said his employer has been “very supportive” in challenging times.

“We have a normal work schedule, just remote,” he said. “I don’t see any changes.”

Though he acknowledges his position feels “less secure than [permanent federal] employees”, right now he’s not worried about being laid off.

Antwan, who also asked Al Jazeera to withhold his surname, is a Baltimore truck driver who works for a private transportation company that delivers goods to supermarkets.

“Everything will stop, but they want us to keep coming to work,” he said.

His partner LaToya, who also asked that her full name not be used for privacy reasons, works for mobility company Transdev. She thinks her job is secure, since chemotherapy and dialysis patients will continue needing medical transportation.

“We trust in the Lord,” said Antwan, describing God as a healer and protector. “He’s taken care of us thus far, and he’s gonna continue.”

Daniel Broh-Kahn, a Baltimore liquor store proprietor, told Al Jazeera, “We’re extremely busy,” though there is concern that Maryland Governor Larry Hogan could soon opt to shut down all non-essential establishments, forcing him to lay off his entire staff, all of whom work part-time.

“One of our employees is going to the mountains, the safest place in the country right now,” he said, referring to the US state of West Virginia - the last to register a positive coronavirus case.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS

Palestinians to self-quarantine for 14 days

The Palestinian government ordered Palestinians in the Israeli-occupied West Bank to remain indoors for two weeks as a precaution against the spread of the coronavirus.

The order, announced by Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh on television, goes into force at 10pm local time. Medical personnel, pharmacists, grocers and bakers would be exempt, he said.

Lockdown to combat coronavirus not enough: WHO

Mike Ryan, the World Health Organization’s top emergency expert, said locking down societies to stem the spread of the novel coronavirus will not suffice to exterminate it.

“What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them,” Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show.

“If we don’t put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up.”

Al Jazeera

[ testing, testing, testing - yet many US states and communities are moving away from that before they even really started. ]

Because our Congresspeople are specialer than the rest of us.

“In questions of rationing care for similarly situated patients, my vote is simply to favor the young over the old. What do other people think?”

I think that having any kind of official guidelines regarding rationing is unlikely to happen in the US, because nobody is ready to commit political suicide. Plus, there are too many exceptions. For example, between a 30 yo child molester inmate and a 60 yo researcher for COVID ( let’s say ) who do you intubate first ?
Or between one’s 50 yo husband with COPD and a strange 20 yo kid, who do you intubate ?
I know, these are extreme and far fetched cases but do you really want government guidelines to tell you what to do ? You may not come to work the next day.
I have one guideline : the one who’s the most likely to die in the next 30 minutes comes first. I don’t care about age, status or background check because if I do, I open my own gates to Hell.

Maybe they can get Kurt Russell to do some PSAs

And the idiot spring breakers continue. My mother lives in a building in S. FL , where to get to where she lives, you have to prove you live (barrier island). One 20 YO idiot and his even more idiotic father brought his U Miami friends to the building to have a party by the pool. They refused to leave and the cops had to be called. Now the pool is closed (previously was open with social distancing and limited access). They broke protocol not even checking the guests in at the front desk. I hope this father gets fined like crazy from the HOH as he supported his son. And how many of these kids are carriers now and may have compromised others. My mother now has no place to get fresh air (the beach is closed even for residents to walk on). I really dont believe that all these stay in place laws can last more than a month before American “revolt”. I also see an increase in crime as the unemployment goes up and people get desperate. Not sure what the answer is, as i believe not only are Americans going to die from Covid-19 but also from those who cant get medical care for other ailments, increased Suicide , and I would even venture to say murder. (with shelter in place what happens to those with restraining orders/domestic violence). What is the correct balance, as this is a 12/18 month issue , and how long is flatten the curve. ? I guess we go day by day.

Is everyone in the Senate an idiot? Why is the gym still open? What were they thinking?

I can’t here write my opinion of someone who, while waiting for COVID-19 results, would go to a gym also used by other people, many of whom are in the most at-risk demographic for COVID-19. But I will say that the other people who were (foolishly) using this gym should have remembered that Rand Paul was their colleague.

We may just have to let nature take its course.

‘An indescribably horrible week of immeasurable suffering’ - death of retired teacher.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article241408856.html

Ok. I am now going to ask a really dumb question. I apologize in advance. Testing seems to be the first priority in flattening the curve. Once we have enough tests, what does that mean? Well, it means more people getting tested but who? Do you need any sort of symptoms or cough and fever? What about the decent percentage of people who are asymptomatic? And would everyone just line up at these drive up centers?

Testing would have to be done every day. A person could be negative one day and positive the next. We should all assume we are positive and isolate.

The purpose of testing is to identify, then isolate the confirmed cases, and to trace, test their contacts and isolate them if they’re positive, and so on. Lockdown will reduce community spread but lockdown alone isn’t sufficient to stop the spread, or even to flatten the curve.

We are in Illinois. We are practically in lockdown and I’m hoping that anyone who thinks they might have the virus will stay home if they cannot get tested. Isn’t that virtually the same thing as testing them? Say they are positive then they would be sent home anyway. I guess not being tested just doesn’t allow anyone to track where they’ve been?

It seems we are past the point of needing to test in order to control it. Testing in each individual case is good because, if the person gets more ill and needs to go to the hospital, then the docs know what they are dealing with.

Posters keep saying lock down isn’t enough but it seems like it could make a big difference even without testing. We just need people to do it!