It’s not. Federal government has very broad powers when it comes to public health.
Though we’ve never had a full scale shelter in place order, there is plenty of historical precedence to follow for mandatory quarantine.
Trump has addressed this and said its not needed. Reports have come out saying he thinks it will impact the economy too much and that he wants these orders to begin receding within 15 days.
Excuse me but why is shared sacrifice not an option just because we have freedom of religion and the establishment clause, those new-fangled liberal inventions that they are?
That sounds about right from a practical point of view.
People should understand that this is not about money. If the economy collapses, many more vulnerable people will die than from coronavirus even if left unchecked. Especially the elderly.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, life expectancy fell from something like 71 years to 56. If you understand math a bit, you can appreciate the scale of premature death that is needed to move that figure so much in a country of 140 million or so.
At the start of the Great Depression, people in the United States were much more self sufficient, and the demographics were very different. There was no widespread welfare, no social security checks, and no Medicare. There was not even any employer sponsored health care (that distortion resulted from price control and tax decisions made by FDR during WW2).
In the subsequent 80+ years, society has come to depend on these programs, and no one depends more on them than the poor and the elderly and the sick. If the economy collapses it is game over for many millions. The US government is not Santa Claus. There are no magical elves conjuring resources somewhere in the basement of the Federal Reserve.
Yes, it may be that serious if we institute extreme measures for very long. A difficult balancing must be undertaken, and I think President Trump is more or less in the ballpark with his 15 day estimate.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
@“Cardinal Fang” good news! I successfully followed your instructions and made a mask with ties! Thank you so much. : D that’s a smiley wearing a mask
“from foreign countries into the United States and between states”
not within states
When our deaths start increasing near them more people will voluntarily stay home. Some people can’t learn from the experiences of others. If the world could, this thing would be gone already since it has a shelf life and isn’t like other things that caused the depression, etc. If it were gotten rid of quickly, the economy would pick right back up with just a pause during that time period.
Unfortunately we can’t fix stupid.
The economy is sunk for a while regardless of which “direction” leaders go (forced isolation with idiots messing it up or voluntary isolation from fear when the deaths start increasing - esp when folks start dying who wouldn’t have to due to the hospitals getting overrun).
I know even if our schools were to restart in the buildings, I’m not returning.
Well…schools here likely won’t start until end of April. That’s way longer than two weeks.
Thank goodness the governors of many states are acting responsibly.
I will believe that when I will see Americans immigrating illegally in Cuba instead of the other way around. People do not leave their countries for fun, they leave out of desperation. Everything else is just communist propaganda.
I feel like I’m one of those Italian people who made the video of advice to themselves 10 days earlier . . . my county in NY has seen an explosion of cases from 3 maybe a week ago to about 90 today, with the first death happening. We are mostly rural, and every town apparently has had someone diagnosed. Since I live in a small town where pretty much everyone knows everyone else, I am certain I will know someone who will be hospitalized and pretty certain I’ll know someone who will die (hopefully not me). We were good about social distancing etc before, but have gone on serious lock down as of yesterday, with no one leaving the farm for any reason, and almost no one coming on (veterinarian had to for an injured horse, otherwise, no one).
Like those Italians, I wish I was stricter with the quarantine earlier. If we had gone on total lockdown a week ago, it would have been much much better. So for all of you with only a handful of positive cases in your state – my advice (that I wish I followed) is to stop ALL interactions with others now.
We are stocked up, but I’ve also found a bunch of companies that deliver anywhere, from a local farmer’s coop to an Alaskan seafood company. I realize many of you live where there are deliveries from stores, but for those of us “in the middle of nowhere” there are options too.
I’m not making a guess here lol. The government CAN and HAS been able to forcibly quarantine based on public health issues - US citizens and not just people who have come from abroad. It forms the basis of our ability to forcibly institutionalize people as well.
The federal government “Is authorized to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states.” There would be a court battle but there is plenty of case law that backs up the broad quarantine powers.
Even if the SCOTUS were to reverse course and rule against the federal government (unlikely given this SCOTUS), it would take a long time - long after our quarantine was done.
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers has announced he’ll issue a stay-at-home order tomorrow.
In the US, physicians need to do a lot of financial catching up to plumbers, due to the enormous educational debt they typically take.
https://www.studentloanplanner.com/doctor-vs-plumber/
https://www.wealthmeta.com/blog/being-a-plumber-vs-being-a-doctor-net-worth-simulations
The propaganda value of sending physicians to places that need them is probably one of the largest and most visible benefits that the government of Cuba gets. Some (not all) authoritarians realize that if they do one thing very well and publicize it, that causes many people to forget or ignore the rest of what they do that is not so good.
Here is link with a map of the US. Click on your state to see the projections of hospital overload depending on certain variables. And how long that overload will last.
It also gives a “point of no return” for action. My state is past the point of no return. Other states are not and should heed the advice of @cinnamon1212 and self isolate NOW.
NYS numbers:
NYS total 20,875 up by 5,707
NYC 12,305 (+3,260)
Westchester 2,894 (+1,021)
[Huge jump, so much for good numbers a couple of days ago]
Nassau 2,442 (+542)
Suffolk 1,458 (+424)
Rockland 592 (+137)
Orange 389 (+142)
Albany 127 (+4)
[Now that’s a nice increase]
Dutches 100 (+18)
Erie 87 (+33)
Monroe 76 (+19)
Hospitalization:
2,635 (13%),
621 ICU patients
Number of tests run in the last 24 hours (run overnight)
Total 16,739
NYC 6.6 K
Westchester 4K
Nassau 1.3K
Suffolk 1.1K
Onondaga 538
Orange 472
Monroe 416
Rockland 393
Albany 197
Saratoga 164
78K of tests have been run in NYS since the beginning
Because this is a big country and that may not be appropriate for every state in the country - yet.
NYS will also start using plasma from recovered people to treat the most critical patients.
For the second day in a row, Cuomo mentioned the need for testing for antibodies to see who can return back to work and mainly which health professionals may be potentially immune. This of course applies to people who didn’t test positive for COVID-19 (were never tested, think they might have had it a while back, …)
The federal government CAN and HAS been able to forcibly quarantine individuals based on public health issues.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/mass-quarantine-lockdown-explainer/