Are we now accusing NYT of spreading false/idle rumors? The above article is from NYT.
âdoubts have arisenâ is not fact, it is speculation and opinion. The speculation may or may not turn out to be true in the long run. And I made no mention of âfalse/idle rumorsâ. I used the word speculation. See below. My point is political posturing is involved on both sides. WHO is a little more apolitical. We donât know if WHOâs briefness on details is due to lack of openness by the Chinese govt or to WHO working to get their ducks in a row or something else, so yes, speculation.
Are we going by proven facts only now? If we are applying that, calling it rumors couldnât be allowed, either. It is not a fact. Earlier some people admonished others for spreading rumors. That ârumorâ turned out to be fact. Arenât we getting overly policed?
@Iglooo Would you like to point out where I used the word rumor? You can post what you like and I can post what I like. What I did post is that WHO is stating that they have received approval and I personally have seen no reason to doubt the veracity of what they stated and what I posted. If different info comes out contradicting that, you, I or anyone else can post that as well.
There will always be an ambivalence in the Chinese government attitude to international ( and especially US) aid, some fueled by national pride and some by fear about public unrest if the epidemics is not controlled faster. They canât look weak but they canât look irresponsible either. Extreme national pride rhetoric is a big tool for any communist government and any international aid should take that into account.
Is anyone reporting any mildly positive news regarding this? Are there people who recover fully? Are there people who just have mild symptoms?
The trackers are posting recoveries. there have been many stories of recoveries (2 people in IL released from the hospital as just one example).
Many are exhibiting mild symptoms - many of those outside China are on home quarantines not hospital quarantines.
Numbers released yesterday by China indicated 82% have only mild symptoms and that severe cases and deaths are mostly among older people and/or those with underlying health issues.
The death rate is reported to be much lower outside of Hubei province, where the health care systems arenât overwhelmed.
Thatâs all positive news, IMO.
From the NY TIMES: âDoctors in Washington State gave remdesivir to the First patient in the United States with NCoV last week after his condition worsened and pneumonia developed when heâd been in the hospital for a week. His symptoms improved the next day.â
Remdesivir is an intravenous anti-viral. China is now doing a study to see if this anecdotal evidence can be backed up.
Yes. The vast, vast majority of people infected.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-disease-outbreak-severity-symptoms
I believe when all is said and counted, the overall mortality will be under 1%. The economic and political impact of this outbreak are far more important than the death toll. The human tragedy of people who died will be amplified by the feeling of betrayal and abandonment that regular Chinese citizens ( especially the young ones ) may feel towards the government and Party. The risk of political unrest is very real and God help us to have a French revolution type affecting a population of over 1 billion people.
Why are you struggling? The ship wasnât âhurriedly disembarkedâ â in fact, disembarkation was a little later than normal, according to news reports.
And where did you hear that RCCL is complaining about having to sail on Saturday instead of Friday? Thatâs incorrect, too. They chose to delay the sailing in an abundance of caution to make sure that the ship and all cabins are properly disinfected and sanitized.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-docked-new-jersey-coronavirus-quarantine-2-2020
They donât âfumigateâ the ship. Thatâs not how itâs done. They clean and disinfect all surfaces with bleach or other products made especially for the purpose of killing bacteria.
Just hoping that the patients still in the Newark hospital awaiting results of their test receive negatives - because if one is positive - where are all of the people who left the ship? How are they found? How many people have they come in contact with?
And on NY radio news 1010 - they interviewed ship representative who sounded annoyed that the turnaround trip had to be postponed.
as of 2 p m the radio said their results are not yet available because the CDC has a backlog. Results expected in 24 to 48 hours
Artist, IF someone on the ship had it, they wouldâve been showing symptoms by now. Theyâve been out of China for almost 2 weeks.
If, in the infinitesimally unlikely event that anyone tests positive despite not showing symptoms after 2 weeks, the cruise lines and CDC have the contact information for every single person on the ship and they can track them down.
If youâre concerned about the backlog at the CDC, I encourage you to speak up to your reps and the president about the repeated cuts to CDC funding that have contributed to the backlog.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared
âIs anyone reporting any mildly positive news regarding this? Are there people who recover fully? Are there people who just have mild symptoms?â
Somewhere upthread I linked to a NYT article that reports that children appear to only be very mildly effected ( symptoms no worse than a cold). That is very good news in that it helps prevent the kind of panic you naturally get from parents when kids are at risk.
Seems odd for folks to quibble over what is correct vs. incorrect information. Iâm sure China is trying to figure it out. WHO is definitely trying to figure it out and all of the other nations are trying to stop it before it takes hold in their nations.
No one has a specific solution since there are still so many unknowns. But the picture is coming more into focus.
I do know one thing, they would have to drag me on that ship leaving NJ that just disinfected the surfaces. Are you kidding me?
It seems unlikely to me that China will READILY accept US help. I do believe they will accept help from WHO but it will be based entirely on their needs. China knows that allowing WHO members into the area will release a flurry of information out to the world. They will no longer be able to control the narrative.
And I find most news sources to be dubious unless they have a person on the scene. Purported/assumed/intended. Read some of these articles closely and you will find they are guessing at most. Very few first-hand accounts at this point. Maybe thatâs why China clamped down so hard on videos, chats and other social media.
I am hoping for the best for the Chinese people.
ârepeated cuts to CDC funding that have contributed to the backlog.â
Iâm not so sure this is the cause. The amount of paperwork and red tape that each healthcare entity has to process in the last decade is aiming towards infinity. It is too much government not too little that makes the process slower. It you look at the last decade, the amount of paper pushers in healthcare has been increasing to an alarming rate. I will give you an example : I can see 30 patients/ day in the office. Because of the insane amount of documentation and reporting, I will see less, not more ( maybe 20-22 ). 5 hrs/day of my time is spent on secretarial work. What happens if there is an outbreak of coronavirus in the US ? In my old private practice I would have adjusted the schedule the next day ( or even before, in anticipation), I would have adopted a minimalistic template for documentation and increase the volume from 20 to 40 in order to respond to the need. When you work for a large organization or government agency, everything changes in slow motion and it may take 2-3 weeks to finalize the âproceduresâ. Government agencies are inherently slow in adapting to changes.
Megacities put up coronavirus entry barriers as China goes back to work
Guangdong (pop 15 million) and Shenzhen (13 million) go into partial lockdown to contain the spread of the illness as the extended Lunar New year holiday ends. The two are described as âmegacities in Chinaâs southern manufacturing heartlandâ.
Housing compounds close the gate to all but residents
Read for more details as China tries to get back to work while still trying to stop the spread of the virus:
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3049641/megacities-put-coronavirus-entry-barriers-china-goes-back
Any airline travel in your future?
@1Benice
This link from 2018 gives a little more detail on the budget cuts @romanigypsyeyes references, and how there was an entire structure that was dismantled (canât tell if it has already been dismantled, or if it is on the chopping block). The cuts werenât just general funding cuts, if thatâs what you were getting at.