Me too. This thread is my main information source, and I appreciate every @doschicos post. That said, I’ve been known to scroll past long articles if I don’t want to read them, it is not hard 
I agree. It must be an incredible about of work.
Every few days I decide I’ve had enough of the endless bickering on this thread (which in all honesty I get caught up in sometimes), but I always come back for the news posts, because I’m apparently too lazy to find them myself.
A little difficult to transport ventilators and not have to make a choice on who gets put on one and who doesn’t or who gets taken off of one while waiting for the ventilators to arrived from the Feds.
That’s the problem with news. I simply posted an article I didn’t write it. And certainly didn’t weigh in on it’s conclusions as 100 percent.
If one spent the time, which is a waste of time that none of will get back on our life clock, I’m sure we could find dozens of articles and quotes to refute articles or change its conclusions from the guardian,
Ny times or al jeezera thst frequent this particular thread.
Perhaps all of them.
I don’t assume that it’s your writing or necessarily that you agree with the conclusions. I assume you thought it was interesting and simply posted it.
FWIW.
@“Cardinal Fang” Is the study you mentioned the same one that has medical professionals and scientists looking at the whole antimalarial and z pack combo closely. Why would they take a disappointing study from a charlatan and do anything with it. Politicians can get this wrong. But the scientists shouldn’t. They’ve also seen that covid isn’t presenting as a problem at the same level in Africa which uses these drugs a lot. Maybe there is something to it. But l will take your word for it and as I said that is not good news. Maybe for some. But not me.
China was going into Chinese new year when the outbreak started to get out of control. That is a lot more people and a lot more travel internally within China than what the US has from international travel. The Chinese put a lot of things in place monitoring people traveling and preventing people from traveling to and from areas of the country that prevented the spread just as we should have done with international travel but did not. We had a weak and late travel ban on China and didn’t back it up with screening other countries and didn’t pivot to include other countries as the virus spread elsewhere. We can learn a lot from China.
China is right now doing very good screening, testing and quarantining of people coming in from outside the country.
I wonder why governor Quomo doesn’t look at where he will most likely need the ventilators he has in storage and go ahead and send those out so they can more easily be put into use. That might be a better move than to just keep harping about how he feels the President isn’t giving him enough quickly enough. Otherwise it seems like both men are following the same course of action, wait until the need becomes more apparent and fill those needs.
The state that ordered the most tests, and has enough at their disposal to test 300,000 people, isn’t New York. It’s Florida. And Florida, not NY, is one of the states reported to have gotten their entire wish list from the national stockpile.
If you’re going to continue to make assertions about NYS, its government, and its residents why don’t you start backing it up with some data?
NM closes all public schools until the end of the school year.
It was certainly a big misstep for China to continue Chinese New Year celebrations in the midst of a new viral outbreak. I’m sure that helped to spread the virus to other countries as international travellers left this celebration.
Of course we are going to look back at Mardi gras and probably come to a similar conclusion.
The US did stop flights from China pretty early. Of course President Trump received flack over that at the time in the media but looking back it was the right call. Of course locking down all international travel would have been a better move but President Trump would really have been called out for that at the time.
Hindsight is certainly 20/20.
Adding a shoutout to @doschicos – you’ve done an incredible job here and I appreciate it so much. Haven’t had much time to read or post much on this thread as we’ve been consumed with making a final college decision for D20. Will be back for sure – such a great resource to have so much info all in one place.
You first. Please show data that shows Florida has tested the most people.
Spoiler alert - ordering tests doesn’t mean you receive them, that you have all the materials necessary to use them or the labs to process them.
Tucker Carlson was the only one who was urging anyone to take Covid 19 seriously at that network and I don’t know if started doing so during the time period he is pointing out NY leaders not doing so (Feb and early March). When was it that he changed is mind and told Trump he should take things seriously? March 18? Thank goodness he did! But at the same time period, the rest of Fox news was playing down the risk and the seriousness, so it is kind of hypocritical for that network to criticize NY leaders and not own up to what their own network did, which was get about half the country to not take this seriously and probably influence the president in the process.
Just because one NY doctor was wrong, doesn’t prove that experts as a whole are not a better source of knowing what to do in a pandemic than politicians. As a whole, pandemic experts, doctors, etc were urging the country to do the right thing while Trump and Fox urged the country touted things that have already been shown to be not true and to have a devastating result on the country. Also, some of the guests in that segment were saying extremely biased things–the talk about progressives and criminals. how about politicians who want pork added to the Covid 19 response package? How about those who maybe downplayed the risks to the American people as they sold stocks (and later defended this)? Add them in at least, not just progressives and criminals. lol!
Hard to please everyone. You’re welcome not to read, or to skim or to skip. You’re also welcome to make posts of your own choosing. All this of course applies for any other thread as well. I skip or skim plenty elsewhere on CC. For some, perhaps it gives them a news source that they don’t expose themselves to. We don’t all have to agree on everything. Sometimes, I also think it moves the discussion forward and back to news flow so the thread doesn’t get weighed down on a back and forth debate on a limited range of topics that some like to repeat. Regardless of whether or not you like my posts, if you actually read them, I bet everyone has learned at least something they didn’t know before. I’m not trying to be flip or defensive.
Just pointing it out so you would see the info, which I deem is correct if the purchaser (Spain) said so. That’s all. And yes, I do post stuff that I find interesting and stuff that I find educating. And other people can do the same, as I know you have done. I won’t always agree with them but I’m open to reading other perspectives but I will point out where I see fallacies in truth or when I have a different opinion. You’re obviously not shy about doing that yourself. .
If you’ve actually been reading along, there are plenty of posts here on what is happening both in our country and globally that have nothing to do with Trump. But some of you seem to obsess on the messaging around Trump and are unwilling to admit to bad practices and bad policy that will cost lives. There have certainly been missteps and to pretend there haven’t been seems dishonest and kind of callous.
When you won’t even contribute to fighting the spread by avoiding daily journeys out and about for no reason, I frankly will discount your opinions. That is one bias I will openly admit to.
To me, the blame on this thread towards New Yorkers is unique. Countless posts claim that we are selfish cowards who caused our city to be a hot spot with our irresponsible behavior, and are purposefully spreading the virus and throwing the rest of the country under the bus. I have not seen any other group of ordinary Americans come under such sustained attack.
I very much hope that none of my posts are such gut-punches to people, and if they are, I genuinely apologize.
I agree that the ultimate test of President Trump’s handling of the crisis will be seen in the November election.
Nevertheless, the recent Gallup poll showing 60% approval now for his handling of the crisis is relevant in determining the slant of this forum. Seriously, do we see 60% approval on here? Even 20% if judging by posts?
Obviously, this forum is not representative of the country as a whole, and that is fine. But we should be aware of the biases. I am constantly pointing out that social distancing is not being practiced out there to anywhere near the extent that many on here seem to be practicing it.
China had the theoretically more difficult problem that it was already inside and spreading via the usual internal movement routes, which in most countries (including the US) are less controlled than international borders and entry points.
However, even in normal times, internal movement within the country is much more restricted in China than it is in the US, and it has an authoritarian government with effective authoritarian infrastructure to lean on to limit movement out of Wuhan to other parts of the country. Although the authoritarianism slowed initial response at the local level (the bearer of bad news, Li Wenqiang, was disbelieved and told by police to stop talking about it), once the central government decided it had a serious problem, it made serious effort to contain it, and was able to enforce its will over any objections from local governments and individuals.
Most Americans would not want to maintain that level of authoritarianism in the US.
The need is apparent. The president should have taken the advice to get respirators and protective gear that came in the years since he was president. He should have scaled up preparations, not down, he should have at the least started taking this very, very seriously in late December/early January. Right now he should have an all hands on deck, help those impacted non-partisan approach. I don’t trust someone who is taking pot shots at governors of states that are the most impacted. Calling someone a snake and the immature attacks are the furthest thing from being the leader we need. The country is march larger than the NE as is the world and right now it appears that NY leads the world in cases, which should terrify everyone as it isn’t likely to just stay in NY. If we don’t get this under control in any given part of the country, it is going to be worse for all the rest of the country.
FWIW, I’m only one vote but I don’t think NY was cowardly or the cause of its own or others’ infection. And the idea that there is purposeful infection anywhere is ridiculous. Each area is doing the very best it can to make decisions that work for its people. Period.
There is considerable disagreement even among experts about what methods are needed and work.
I also think that NY’s own politicians are doing what they were elected to do - advocate for their citizens.
But… NYC does have a tendency to believe it is the center of the universe and demand attention, resources, coverage accordingly. That’s not a huge deal and just part of the city ego unless and until that narrative starts to drive national news (that’s based in NY) and federal decision making (that should be based on the interests of the entire country). The rest of the country and the federal government needs to keep in mind what % of the population NYC represents and make decisions that are in the best interests of all US citizens, even those who don’t appear on the news or who haven’t had the chance to get testing in their areas.
When I check this thread it contains current virus news, almost 24/7. Is anyone else going to volunteer to post that level of coverage if doschicos stops?
I skim some posts. Some I search out more context from other sources. I look at Fox news almost every day. Sometimes I do word searches on poster’s comments to try and understand where their ideas are coming from.
This thread has the most information all in one place that is easily accessible for me. I really hope it can continue.
I just learned of the first person I know personally to get the virus - our nephew’s wife in NYC. She is in her late 30s. She said her symptoms are mild and she shouldn’t need medical help. Our nephew is OK so far. They don’t have any children.