Coronavirus in the US

I’m very, very concerned about Detroit. Thousands of houses there still don’t have running water.

It’s a food desert and many rely on food pantries that are now empty.

I don’t know how they’re going to get the stimulus as many don’t and can’t (lack of computer and now lack of physical places to go) file taxes.

The medical systems there are good, if you can access them. Ambulances are nearly impossible to get even in the easiest times.

There are dozens and dozens of cops infected with the virus.

It’s a powder keg of bad circumstances. Most big cities at least have wealthy areas to offset the poorest parts. Detroit basically doesn’t have that. Sure, it has wealthy suburbs but they’re not part of Detroit and the city of Detroit’s services (public health, etc) are completely separate from Wayne County’s (the county Detroit is in).

That isn’t unconscionable, that is federalism.

The federal government should be helping to identify resources and smooth the process, but the states should be taking care of their own needs until they can’t.

It wouldn’t look smoother if the federal gov’t took over all of it, we’d just be complaining about different things.

I wonder which senators bought stock in those medical supply companies that are now jacking up prices while individual states bid on what they need…

The Stimulus bill is giving out $150B to states and local governments, in addition to $45B for disaster relief in addition to…

Sure, it may not be enough for the rest of the year, but its a start for ordering stuff today.

The should be taking it over in THIS circumstance - not forever. This is an emergency - its war. The federal government doesn’t mind ‘forcing’ GM to produce materials for this war or implementing other temporary laws for this disaster, they should absolutely be doing this. We are screwing ourselves and only the suppliers are making money on the backs of states and the government. Just like they are going to step in and take over the insanity that is private pharma companies getting 80% of their raw materials from China - who has extreme power over us by now (and always has - we just were not paying attention).

A one-page summary of the CARES Act by the National Governors Association.

https://www.nga.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/20-3-26-CARES-Act-Brief-Summary-1.pdf

Shared by a friend (New York resident) on Facebook a little while ago:
Headline just now:
Trump says he is considering a quarantine on New York, parts of New Jersey and Connecticut. In a gaggle with reporters, the president said he had spoken with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this morning and might make a decision later today.

If anyone here knows more about this, now or as it develops, please post. Thanks!

“That isn’t unconscionable, that is federalism.”

That is an excuse, not a reason.

IF Hawaii had to deal with the consequences of the attack on Pearl Harbor, alone , for 2 months, because Roosevelt decided he should not declare war until he was forced to later, would THAT have been ok because it meets your definition of federalism?
Get real.
We are at WAR. Its NOT every state or every-man-for-them-selves time !
New York, or Washington, or Michigan are no more to blame for being a hot beds in this pandemic, than Hawaii was to blame for being bombed.
And ONLY the Federal government has the resources to meet the needs of states in a crisis. Why do you think we pay taxes to the IRS?

Kansas governor issues stay-at-home order due to coronavirus
From CNN’s Deanna Hackney

Gov. Laura Kelly has issued a stay at home order for the state Kansas beginning March 30 at 12:01 p.m. in order to contain the spread of Covid-19.

At a press conference this afternoon, Kelly said the order would provide more consistency and stability across the state.

“As we speak, well over half of Kansas’ population falls under a local stay at home order of some kind. Even without the executive order I’m issuing today, Kansas’ most populous counties have already issued local state orders to their communities," Kelly said. “As governor, I left these decisions to local health departments for as long as possible. But the reality is that a patchwork approach is a recipe for confusion in our statewide fight to slow the spread of coronavirus that statewide uniformity will ensure. We’re all playing by the same rules, and it would help prevent an influx of new cases for local health departments, many of which are already stretched to max.”
Kelly said the step is also being taken now to continue to slow the spread of Covid-19 in Kansas, as hospitals are preparing their facilities for the inevitable surge of patients, “But we’re simply not ready for what we anticipate will be the peak of this pandemic.”

By the numbers: Kansas currently has 202 people who have tested positive for coronavirus; four people have died from it.

Cuomo says he did not speak to Trump about a quarantine for New York

Following news that President Trump is mulling a short term quarantine for New York and surrounding areas, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he “didn’t speak to him about any quarantine.”

“I spoke to the president about the ship coming up and the four sites. I didn’t speak to him about any quarantine,” Cuomo said Saturday during a press conference. “No, I haven’t had those conversations. I don’t even know what that means.”
Earlier today: Trump said he is thinking about a possible “short term, two week” quarantine for “New York, probably New Jersey and certain parts of Connecticut.”

Speaking at the White House, Trump said “we might not have to do it, but there’s a possibility sometime today” he will enact a quarantine.

Trump said that this would be an “enforceable quarantine,” one that would restrict travel because New Yorkers have been traveling to Florida and “we don’t want that.”

Trump said he would rather not do it, “but we may need it."

Trump says a short term quarantine on New York and surrounding areas may be enacted
From CNN’s Jason Hoffman

President Trump said he is thinking about a possible “short term, two week” quarantine for “New York, probably New Jersey and certain parts of Connecticut.”

Speaking at the White House, Trump said “we might not have to do it, but there’s a possibility sometime today” he will enact a quarantine.

Trump said that this would be an “enforceable quarantine,” one that would restrict travel because New Yorkers have been traveling to Florida and “we don’t want that.”

Trump said he would rather not do it, “but we may need it."

Later at Joint Base Andrews, Trump also said such an action was a possibility.

“We’re looking at it,” he said on a possible quarantine.

When asked about closing the New York City subway Trump said, “No we wouldn’t do that.”

More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection

Experts have started to question whether masks may offer at least some protection to healthy individuals and essential workers.

“The swift increase in cases to these levels in the U.S. highlights to an even greater degree the importance of implementing and adhering to public health measures,” said Dr. Robert Atmar, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine.

There is very little data showing that flat surgical masks, in particular, have a protective effect for the general public. Masks work by stopping infected droplets spewing from the wearer’s nose or mouth, rather than stopping the acquisition of virus from others. That is why the W.H.O. and C.D.C. recommend that people already infected with the coronavirus wear masks, to protect others who may come into close contact with them. Health workers wear masks because they interact with sick patients regularly and often have to lean close for important medical procedures, exposing themselves to higher amounts of viral particles. And if healthy individuals start stockpiling surgical masks and high-grade N95 masks, they can also make it harder for health workers to get the resources they need to help on the front lines.

But studies of influenza pandemics have shown that when high-grade N95 masks are not available, surgical masks do protect people a bit more than not wearing masks at all. And when masks are combined with hand hygiene, they help reduce the transmission of infections.

When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/health/us-coronavirus-face-masks.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Cuomo says he has no idea what he’s talking about and that they didn’t discuss it (he said he doesn’t even know what that means). He said he doesn’t like the sound of it - whatever it is - and it doesn’t sound legal.

New York moves its presidential primary election to June 23
CNN

In light of the coronavirus spread, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has moved the state’s presidential primary election to June 23.

The original date was April 28, Cuomo said.

“I don’t think it’s wise to be bringing a lot of people to one location to vote. A lot of people touching one doorknob, a lot of people touching one pen, whatever you call the new device on the ballots. So we are going to delay that and link it to an election that was previously scheduled on June 23rd. The June 23rd date is for state legislative races and congressional races. We’ll move the presidential election to that date. Ironically, I had advocated that it be on that date all along anyway. So there’s only one election and people only needed to come out once. Everybody wants to vote. Everybody wants to do their civic duty, but don’t make me come out and vote, you know, 11 times. Put the elections together so I can go to the ballot once. And this will actually do that,” Cuomo said Saturday during a press conference.

There are 52,318 confirmed coronavirus cases across New York
CNN

There are now 52,318 people confirmed to have Covid-19 across New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday during a press conference.

The state has tested a total of 155,934 people, Cuomo said. At least 728 people have died from coronavirus across New York.

There were 172 people admitted into the ICU on March 27, Cuomo said.

If density compliance is not working on voluntary basis we can “get to a point” where play grounds will be closed, Cuomo said, remarking on the new guidelines for the NYC parks and some reports that they are not being followed.

There are more than 7,000 people hospitalized for coronavirus across New York
CNN

There are now 7,328 people currently hospitalized across New York with Covid-19, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at a press conference Saturday.

More from the press conference: Cuomo has moved the state’s presidential primary election to June 23 and extended the tax filing deadline in New York to July 15 due to the coronavirus pandemic.

There are now 52,318 people confirmed to have Covid-19 in New York, Cuomo said.

The state has tested a total of 155,934 people, he added. At least 728 people have died from coronavirus in New York.

There are at least 1,755 people in ICU in New York with Covid-19, he said.

Cuomo said that the cost of ventilators had increased from $25,000 to $45,000 because of demand.

https://www.wfsb.com/trump-says-he-s-considering-short-term-quarantine-of-new/article_88b268cc-e184-572f-a162-8a0bd10676f2.html

So he says its a hotspot but he won’t give them ventilators unless they stop investigating him. SMH

Governor Cuomo spoke to Trump about 4 new hospitals to be built this mornig. He got go ahead from Trump. He did NOT talk to him about any such quarantine
(I just listened to today’s Cuomo’s briefing)

Let this sink in

First confirmed COVID-19 case in NYS happened 27 days ago
New Rochelle Cluster - 18 days ago

Thank you to everyone who replied to my post above. I am very grateful for this forum.

Listening to our state’s press conference right now (PA) and having listened to it most days in the past I gotta admit, I like how they are handling things and sharing info they have - the knowns and the unknowns, the plan w/reasons, and the realistic hope they give.

I wish it were similar on a national level, but I’ve given up listening to that one as of a few days ago. The two are nowhere near equivalent.

Is this another variation on a similar hoax a few days ago?

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/16/21181486/stafford-act-text-message-hoax-coronavirus-national-quarantine-trump

Did anyone know Taiwan is not allowed to be a member of the WHO?

The scientists and medical experts quoted are scathing.

Facts.

Jan. 14 No human to human transmission. March 11. Yes March 11 they finally called it a pandemic.
Waited very long to classify as global health crisis.

No wonder western countries were caught a bit flat footed.

“WHO under microscope. What went wrong. By Holly McKay.

As coronavirus started seeping from its origins in a Wuhan wet market in China late last year, the information coming from the World Health Organization (WHO) was one of dismissal, in line with the Chinese Communist Party’s muzzling of the disease’s potency.

“Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China,” WHO tweeted in January.

Thus, after being left mostly unchecked in those first critical few weeks of inception, coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – has since infected upwards of 600,000 people globally and claimed the lives of some 27,000.

So what went wrong?

(WHO) has been trying to be politically correct by underestimating the extent of the threat. They lost some credibility when they stated in late January that the global risk assessment was moderate," Dr. Attila Hertelendy, a Florida-based expert in biomedicine, told Fox News. “For an international body that people (and) governments and the business community looks to for advice, they are simply too slow, burdened by bureaucracy and political correctness. They have a great staff working for them, and many of my colleagues are advisors, they just need to listen to them and take action swiftly.”

Dr. Stanley Weiss, a professor of Medicine and Epidemiology at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, concurred that the lack of early action has been especially frustrating for the medical community.

“I was personally frustrated at WHO’s apparent great fear in moving from classifying from epidemic to pandemic, all the more so given all the evidence we had gathered from China’s experience,” he said. "Historically, a great strength of the WHO was its expertise in consensus building.

Here, we needed leadership, not merely consensus building. It is hard for some organizations to act."

For weeks, the WHO resisted the alarming declaration, before classifying a pandemic on March 11. From Weiss’s lens, it’s a question of whether science is too frequently ignored “in favor of the politics within WHO’s vast constituency.”

The WHO waited much too long to declare a ‘Global Health Emergency,’ a designation that importantly would have alerted public health officials in countries neighboring China to start preparing. Similarly, the WHO initially refused to declare a global pandemic, bizarrely claiming that they no longer used this designation, but then ultimately did so," noted Dr. Dena Grayson, a Florida-based expert in infectious diseases. “This also likely cause substantial delays in preparedness by other nations in advance of this deadly virus.”

Some critics have also charged that WHO has acted as an arm of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

Brett Schaefer, a Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs, the Heritage Foundation, said China has “a well-established record of suppressing information that it considers harmful,” a notion not new to the WHO.

.In 2003, China concealed and denied an infectious disease outbreak – later called SARS – for months.

Given this history, the willingness of the WHO to take China’s statements at face value is shocking. WHO leadership is too susceptible to political pressure in its decisions on declaring a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), and this needs to be addressed."

The World Health Organization (WHO) serves as a specialized agency of the United Nations, falling under the UN’s Sustainable Development Group. It was brought to life in 1948, in conjunction with the UN’s creation, and given the broad mandate as the international governing body monitoring public health risks and overseeing responses to emergencies. Headquartered out of Geneva, Switzerland, WHO has 194 member states and operates on an annual budget of about $2.1 billion.

In 2017, voluntary contributions from the U.S. totaled more than $400 million. Moreover, WHO data shows that the U.S. is its largest financier – giving more money than the United Nations itself – followed by South Korea, Australia, the Gates Foundation, and then Japan.

Critics have accused WHO of whitewashing Chinese misconduct in the onset of the disease, and have instead heaped praise on the state for its authoritarian clampdown in purporting to combat the already escaped contagion last month.

The role of its leader, Ethiopian national Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus – who was tapped for the top job in 2017 by member states and appointed to a five-year term – is now also coming into focus. Some are questioning whether he buttered up to governments like China in return for massive donations to the organization. Ghebreyesus routinely lauds Chinese President Xi Jinping for his handling of the pathogen, while not acknowledging early cover-ups and the fact that several doctors were muzzled for daring to speak out about a strange new virus percolating in Wuhan.

Furthermore, officials from Taiwan – a nation sharply at odds with the mainland Beijing leadership – claimed that they alerted WHO back in December about “the risk of human-to-human transmission.” However, Taipei leaders this week said that the information was not passed on to other countries and fell on deaf ears.

Taiwan is not currently allowed to be a member of the WHO, due to the controversial Peoples Republic of China’s One-China policy.

Overall, the WHO is a useful organization, and its scientific experts are absolutely world-class," Grayson stressed. “Unfortunately, like all too many organizations, politics sometimes get in the way of decisive action.”

Schaefer also asserted that once this pandemic dims, there will be some sort of re-evaluation.

If the organization performs well, member governments are more confident in having it assume an increased role. If they fail, the member states look to reform them or create alternative mechanisms," he said. “During the Ebola crisis in 2014, WHO was strongly criticized for its slow and ineffective response, and the member states pressed the leadership for reforms to address those failings. It is clear from the response to COVID-19 that more changes are necessary.”

“WHO is part of the UN. UN is overly bureaucratic, but we need it because it is the global organization where member states can come to discuss issues like this,” he explained. “WHO has become less relevant in the past few decades, COVID-19 reminds us why it is important and why when it fails, we all pay the price.”

Bate also stressed that the WHO has to be more forthright in demanding local action from wherever the epidemic begins.

I believe following COVID-19, U.S. and E.U. will back it because of the huge cost we are now paying. Basically, WHO should get the funds it requires and can embarrass nations like China that do not act properly," he continued. “And this will happen again unless China shuts its wet markets with live animals. Contagions from zoonotic viruses are the problem, and China is ground zero for these.”

Following a politically correct agenda doesn’t work in the 21st century," he added. “Simply, they need to focus on restoring credibility, admit mistakes, and be transparent and ready to make difficult decisions quickly and confidently.”

WHO did not respond to a request for comment. - fox business news

In a war, the Air Force doesn’t man the artillery and the Army doesn’t command the Carrier Fleet. The roles are defined, and training goes on all the time to prepare.

The training and preparation for the pandemic is locally executed, state managed, and federally supported. That does not mean that the federal government runs in to take charge of everything everywhere, it means the federal government supports and supplements state efforts.

Changing the rules after all the planning and training leads to chaos. You think there is chaos now? Wait until the feds jump into roles the cities and states are already executing. Which would lead to no one doing the role the federal government had planned and trained for.

I don’t really expect people who want the feds to step in and run everything to agree with me. I just hope to expose some people to the idea that not everyone views federal responsibility the same way. You know - diversity, which we all support, right?