That’s why I was questioning the methodology because I noticed it did seem to show more rural areas with worse ratings. Even driving to the grocery store takes longer.
Plus, they still don’t show the right restriction info posted for my state so if they can’t get that right, it raises some doubts in my mind.
Zaandam or Rotterdam? Note that the many of the non-sick (or apparently non-sick) passengers on Zaandam were moved to Rotterdam. Rotterdam, initially with only crew on board, approached Zaandam for this purpose.
So are the two ships being treated the same, or differently, as far as potentially being allowed to dock and unload passengers?
The Bay Area outbreak was not connected to Chinatown or the homeless population. It was connected to Silicon Valley and cruise ship travel.
Regarding the cruise ships-
I want consistency. If a politician is going to use religion as an argument against abortion, that same politician has to live the faith and get the people off the ships so that they can get medical help. The Good Samaritan story seems to have been skipped over in Sunday school.
It’s not about where she went. It would the same issue if she had a junket to Sonoma for a wine festival.
It’s the date only a few weeks ago.
It’s encouraging and drawing huge numbers of people into close quarters.
One month ago people in a position to know didn’t have a clear sense of things.
It’s just food for thought when we are sharpening our axes to judge actions on the response.
The impeachment hearings and focus was in early December. The first reports of COVID-19 came out of China around New Year’s eve. with some updates about the novel virus about a week later. Of course the virus wasn’t the focus during the impeachment hearings.
Did you miss the whole trial and hold out of the articles etc. thing?
That was prime time preparation weeks.
Dec Jan and Feb was wall to wall.
Not saying anything about the validity or not. Just the ability to see the problem was obscured.
Also these posts are only in response to the earlier post of her comments about McConnell and trump hiding behind that for their failure.
It is what is. But watch people blaming other people when they themselves are as guilty is pretty lame.
She’s the most powerful politician in Washington I’m told. And I probably would agree.
Where was this leadership even a month ago. I think it was present then as now. but the information on the threat was still being deciphered. The idea that some national lockdown or something would have been well received 4 weeks ago is pure folly.
And undermined by her own efforts to get people out en masse.
NY is the one starting that with their actions. As long as NY keeps wanting to claim more than a proportionate share of national resources, those actions create understandable push back. When the outsized claims for shared resources stop, then people will stop responding with requests for data or pointing out what’s happening elsewhere. None of this started with other states, it’s an understandable and reasonable response to what NY is doing and their leaders are saying.
If people think NY is so much more important than the rest of America (or the world), maybe they can create a separate thread and talk about only that or they can deal with it when the non-NYers push back with requests for data or responses that show what’s happening in other places. Florida’s an easy comparison state since their population is similar, so it’s easy to show disparities, but there is no direct competition between FL and NY.
If NYS is way ahead of FL in testing (doing 6x more) then Florida’s confirmed cases are likey closer to ~42,000, not 7,000. According to Florida’s governor, the outbreak in FL probably started Superbowl weekend (Feb 2nd), so the virus is circulating. They’re just not getting the numbers.
One of the things that makes it so difficult for FL to get numbers, even though Governor DeSantis said they have 250,000 tests with 325,000 more on the way, and in spite of getting 2 full federal orders of everything they requested, is that when federal guidelines were relaxed to allow more testing Florida refused to adopt them. Instead, they kept to 6 narrow definitions for who could be tested.
What a lame excuse. When was the last time this president, or his followers, take any responsibility for anything?
He didn’t use it as an excuse. He said it wasn’t an issue.
I’m talking about the media and other politicians. He’s not the only guy in dc.
What’s your thoughts on pelosi ginning up the crowds in SF on February 28th. Indicative of blatant disregard of human life or perhaps no one knew what it would really become.
@milee30 I realize you are concerned for your state and the people in it, but I think you may not appreciate how callous your insistence on casting NY and its residents as selfish and greedy comes comes across when 2000 NYers have JUST DIED. A CC’er just posted ON THIS THREAD that his NY FIL tested positive within the last hour. Give it a rest. Put people on ignore. Start your own thread. No one wants to argue this. I’m from CA. It is all sad. We are all in this together.
It would not surprise me to learn that if FL overnight tested the same amount NY has tested so far, it had similar numbers of infected… or more… or less. No way to know until actual testing is done. Same issue to what’s happening in all sorts of states across the US - little testing = underreported cases.
And yes, part of the problem is that similar to what he was doing with the stay at home order, DeSantis has continued to use the federal recommendations for testing (CDC I believe was the mentioned model.) That narrow recommendation combined with the lack of supplies for the tests (like swabs and collection containers) and slow labs has been a huge, ongoing problem.
And unless the testing is addressed - supplies found, labs brought up to speed, faster alternate tests bought and ready - the new 30 day stay at home order will only delay things for a bit and infections will rage again as soon as it’s lifted.
Florida isn’t the only state lacking in testing, though. The testing issue needs to be addressed as a nation or hidden hot spots will re-infect newly “flattened” areas. I’m hoping if the federal government doesn’t coordinate a testing plan, the states will all work together even if only out of self interest.
Presidents, not Speakers of the House, set the tone and direction of the country, and Presidents have the power of the executive order.
When the current politicians are history, the governmental decision, successes, and failures of the era will be remembered as those of the President; the Speaker of the House will be forgotten completely. Who remembers the who the Speaker of the House was in 2010, 2008, 2003, 2001, 1991, 1979, 1974, 1968, 1963, 1950, 1942, 1929?
I’m not a fan of most politicians. But the president has special responsibility that no one else has. He has unique responsibility, especially when it’s in crisis, to set the direction for the country, to set aside political considerations, to unite its citizens, to be its moral leader, and certainly to earn trust and not lose credibility with American people by telling truths and only truths.
I think so, but when actions of others show that they don’t believe this, I’m going to continue to point that out.
And there are leaders who aren’t “best” in any of the above. I can name a few.
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