I’m glad you got your chicken. It’s horrible how much food is going to waste. Chickens being euthanized. Piglets being aborted. Fields being plowed under. The only thing I can think of is that before this pandemic, there was a lot of food waste in the stores and restaurants. The farmers sold their food and then it was wasted. Now it’s being wasted at the source. We have the same amount of people, eating roughly the same amount (maybe more).
I wonder when the ADA/ACLU will get involved with the order for mandatory mask wearing.
It’s going to be pretty easy to declare a ‘medical condition’ which makes it impossible to wear a mask. And, according to ADA and HIPAA people can not ask you about that condition because it violates your privacy rights.
I can see it now, CA ADA lawyers - the ones who run around and determine a ramp is .005% degrees out of compliance and then sue the small family business out of existence - will have a whole new business opportunity.
I’ve seen several articles about the flood of lawsuits being filed related to the virus.
There are suits against nursing homes alleging negligence in not protecting the residents. There are suits against cities, counties and states alleging constitutional violations. There are suits by businesses against their insurers claiming that their business interruption insurance should apply. There are bankruptcies that will have to wind their way through bankruptcy courts. It will be full employment for lawyers when the courts re-open.
In our state, folks can say they can’t wear a mask, and this won’t be questioned…no proof needed. Therefore…no violation of any rights.
People who can’t wear masks because of breathing difficulties could still wear a face shield that was open at the bottom. I doubt they will though, not the people with legit breathing difficulties.
You can blame supply chain inflexibility. When there is little flexibility in the supply chains to route food (and toilet paper) differently for changing demand between households versus commercial / restaurant food service, this is the result. The assumption of relatively constant demand on each side means that maintaining the flexibility is an unnecessary cost to the food business in normal times. But when demand does switch away from commercial / restaurant food service to households, the supply chains are unable to adapt.
Florida data will no longer be reliable since they are no longer bublishing the medical examiners’ covid data https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-officials-stop-publishing-coronavirus-death-toll-data-2020-4
@austinmshauri, many cities are travel hubs. Calif had hundreds of flights from Asia, Houston has daily flights to 6 continents. I don’t think anyone is blaming NY, but the conditions there were problematic to begin with. Public hospitals were a disaster and subways were filthy well before COVID. Whether more priority should have been given by citizens and political leaders to addressing those issues pre pandemic will be studied in the future
California had many non-stop flights from Europe and Asia. But California shutdown many days before New York did. That helped. But so does the relative lack of housing density and use of cars over crowded transportation.
I know this is off topic, but I’m having trouble with this thread updating correctly. For all my other bookmarked threads, the tag shows how many new posts there are, and when I go into the thread, it picks up where I left off. This one always show all posts as new, and goes to post #1 every time.
Hoping that just posting will fix it. But if anyone knows a fix, please pm me.
California (and Seattle area) had more travelers to and from Asia, and cities in Northeast had more travelers to and from Europe, relatively speaking.
Some of it is just dumb luck. Kobe Bryant’s memorial drew tens of thousands of people. Apparently, there was no community spread happening then and there. Two days later was the Biogen conference in Boston. Disastrous spread from that, and less people.
There is an article in the New York Times about a convent, five (per the article) or six (per updated information) of whose nuns have died of COVID-19.
Yes, I saw that article. 2 nuns in their 80s, 2 in their 90s, and 1 over 100 years old. Rest in peace.
I get that it doesn’t matter when it was reported. I just don’t see NY as having dilly-dallied more than a day or two beyond what other states did from their first reported case. Should they have been more proactive? Sure, but it’s pretty hard to shut down the schools and make people wear masks if you don’t have any cases. I think individual cities/counties shut down before the whole state did in CA. While in NY the only thing that happened earlier was the containment zone in New Rochelle. (Which was actually pretty effective.)
I get people going to parties thinking they just have a cold. I get people fleeing Italy, but they should have put themselves in quarantine.
If there is any blame to go around, first on the list should be China. Its actions - from all indications - have been appalling.
There was a survey of 22,921 people from 4/16 to 4/26 that had results published recently at https://www.kateto.net/COVID19%20CONSORTIUM%20REPORT%20April%202020.pdf
Some of the results:
There is little consensus about “when should the country reopen the economy and resume business activity?”:
7% immediately
11% in the next two weeks
18% after two to four weeks
21% after four to six weeks
17% after six to eight weeks
26% after more than eight weeks
Note: it is now between one and two-and-a-half weeks since the survey time frame, although people who gave an answer one to two-and-a-half weeks ago may have a different answer (adjusted for the one to two-and-a-half weeks) now. But if you just shift the times by two weeks, you get the following times from now based on their answers from between one and two-and-a-half weeks ago:
18% immediately
18% in the next two weeks
21% after two to four weeks
17% after four to six weeks
26% after more than six weeks
The following questions about concern had answers of “not at all” / “not very” / “somewhat” / “very” concerned (percentages):
11 / 20 / 35 / 32 Getting coronavirus yourself (Hispanic, African American, Asian more concerned; 18-24 somewhat less concerned; 65+ more likely to be “somewhat” concerned but less likely to be “very” concerned than 25-44 and 45-64)
6 / 12 / 32 / 47 Family members getting coronavirus (similar pattern by race / ethnicity as above; being “very” concerned was higher for younger age groups)
13 / 14 / 18 / 24 Losing your job due to the virus outbreak or the measures against it (31% “not applicable to me”; non-white people more concerned; younger more concerned; less education more concerned; lower income more concerned (out of those who did not say “not applicable to me”))
12 / 16 / 30 / 35 Financial hardships due to the virus outbreak or the measures against it (similar patterns as previous)
Question “In the last 24 hours, have many people who are not part of your household did you meet face-to-face?”
44% - none, 15% - 1, 14% - 2, 8 - 3, 13% - 4-9, 7% over 9
Question “In the last 24 hours, have you been in a room (or another enclosed space) with people who were not members of your household?”
73% - no, 14% - 1-2 others, 6% - 3-4 others, 3% - 5-6 others, 1% - 7-8 others, 1% - 9-10 others, 1% - 11-50 others, 0% - 51-100 others, 0% - over 100 others
The following questions about personally following health recommendations had answers of “not at all” / “not very” / “somewhat” / “very” closely (percentages):
2 / 4 / 25 / 69 Avoiding contact with other people
2 / 3 / 20 / 75 Avoiding public or crowded places
1 / 3 / 16 / 80 Frequently washing hands
3 / 9 / 27 / 61 Disinfecting often-touched surface
14 / 11 / 20 / 55 Wearing a face mask when outside of your home
The following questions about measures which governments could take in the next 30 days had answers of “strongly disapprove” / “somewhat disapprove” / “somewhat approve” / “strongly approve” (percentages):
2 / 4 / 20 / 74 Asking people to stay at home and avoid gathering in groups
5 / 12 / 31 / 52 Requiring most businesses other than grocery stores and pharmacies to close
3 / 5 / 18 / 74 Cancelling major sports and entertainment events
3 / 5 / 20 / 71 Closing K-12 schools
30 / 22 / 25 / 23 Tracking people’s cell phone location to find out who was in contact with a sick person
2 / 4 / 20 / 74 Restricting international travel to the U.S.
5 / 10 / 31 / 55 Restricting travel within the U.S.
For all of the approve / disapprove questions above, the largest demographic difference appears to be political party affiliation, but even the least in favor party members still heavily approved the ones that had heavy overall approval (i.e. other than the cell phone tracking one).
Questions “how would you say […] are reacting?” with answers “not taking the outbreak seriously enough” / “reacting about right” / “overreacting to the outbreak”
48 / 34 / 16 ordinary people across the country
34 / 53 / 12 ordinary people in your community
8 / 42 / 6 people at your place of employment
Really, Florida in the winter is not a travel hub? Over 130 million people visit Florida each year, including over 10 million overseas visitors (and a whole lot of New Yorkers too). California?
Please. The reason that NYC was hit so hard is because of local density conditions, which implied that local R0 was very high for COVID. I would not be surprised to learn that greater than 30% of NYC has already been exposed. Given the age and demographic skew, the NYC death rates would be consistent with a 0.2% death rate (IFR) for the disease across all age groups and risk cohorts.
We do not need to congratulate ourselves in other states, and I do not think my post implied that. This appears to be a fast-moving but not particularly virulent disease in the context of human history.
Great article in the May 4th The New Yorker. Details how Seattle and New York differed in their approaches. Goes into the power struggles between Cuomo and de Blasio and how that contributed to the poo show that became NYC.
Seattle roped in Microsoft early on in the game and got them to issue the WFH memo. This sent a message to the general public that this was serious. Microsoft took this step at a time when there were only 14 confirmed COVID cases in the region. Meanwhile Seattle was putting a plan in place for school closures. Again, school closures signaled to the general public - hey this is serious, pay attention!!
The original outbreaks in Seattle and NYC occurred roughly at the same time. There are demographic differences that worked in Seattle’s favor. However, what strongly worked AGAINST NY was the already existing head butting game between de Blasio and the Health Department and the established power struggle between de Blasio and Cuomo.
From the article - in Seattle health officials were at the helm. In NY - politicians were at the helm.
“If there is any blame to go around, first on the list should be China. Its actions - from all indications - have been appalling.”
Some, yes, and I’m not sure what you are referring to (spell out if you will) but they’ve contained the spread of the novel coronavirus, which the US (and virtually the entire Western world) has failed to do.