^Oh, good Lord. Reminds me of my favorite Aggie joke: What happened when the Texas Aggie moved to Oklahoma? Raised the average IQ of both states.
^wish there were a “ha ha,” button @MaineLonghorn
From CNBC, “New coronavirus cases across the world jump by the most ever in a single day, WHO says”
100k+ new daily cases worldwide in the last 24 hours (about 20% of them in US). Brazil is the new hot spot, as its winter approaches.
I understand all of what you are saying, @ucbalumnus , but what @somemom and I were getting at is the lack of critical thought even among those who believe there’s a risk and are trying to follow the same guidelines that we are. I fear that it’s hard for some people to do that next level of “why” and understand what they’re doing and logical issues (e.g. don’t adjust mask over beard or whatever).
Rich Lowry has an article up at National Review titled “Where Does Ron Santis Go To Get His Apology?”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronavirus-crisis-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19-strategy/
Left, Right, or Center, I recommend reading it. PLEASE no fighting, and PLEASE no re-starting the NY v FL back and for that was going to get us all sent to the doghouse.
Lowry describes Florida’s targeted response, focusing on the most vulnerable populations in the state – specifically nursing homes.
The article also mentions Florida already has government systems in place that greatly helped their response & efficiency gathering data, due to existing systems re: preparedness for big natural disasters (hurricanes).
Personally, up here in Illinois, I got the impression that Florida wasn’t doing much/enough about the pandemic & “wasn’t taking it seriously”.
This article gave me a fresh & different view, and certainly got me thinking.
Again, please behave yourselves, Good People.
Interesting that you should post this right after that article about FL’s Department of Health lady being dismissed from her job over not being willing to fudge numbers on the system she set up… the one everyone praised until it mysteriously stopped working and then was missing info, etc.
I have no interest in reading their propaganda. The title and source say enough to show me the slant.
He wants an apology??? His suppressing the facts won’t get him any from me. He reminds me of what folks criticize about China.
I’ll wait a month to evaluate how different states’ responses are working out. I’ll bear in mind that stochastic processes (ie luck) are in play here, and that in the best case we have imperfect information.
Contrast Florida’s response with that of Pennsylvania, which has evidenced a profound degree of incompetence.
Almost 70% of Pennsylvania’s COVID deaths have been in nursing homes. De Santis knew enough to target those facilities early. Part of the reason I suspect is that the Northeast was busy trying to convince everyone that younger people were at serious risk. This was done to achieve “buy in” from the general public. For those who remember the mid-80s (I suspect most on this forum), the dynamic has not been dissimilar to the constant refrain back then that AIDS posed a serious risk to the heterosexual population. Dr. Fauci was front and center back then as well, and was a huge alarmist about the risk to the overall population from AIDS.
By the way, last I checked the average age of Pennsylvania residents who have died from COVID-19 is 79.
Good article that discusses Pennsylvania from a libertarian perspective and includes stats: https://mises.org/wire/shutdown-may-soon-collapse-pennsylvania-thanks-local-resistance
Good news- "For those of you still wiping down groceries and other packages amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, breathe a sigh of relief: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now say that the novel virus “does not spread easily” from touching contaminated surfaces or objects — but experts warn that doesn’t mean it’s no longer necessary to take precautions in stopping the spread of COVID-19.
Though it’s not clear exactly when, the federal health agency appears to have recently changed its guidelines from early March that initially said it “may be possible” to spread the virus from contaminated surfaces, now including surfaces and objects under a section that details ways in which the coronavirus does not readily transmit."
Masks aren’t a substitute for social distancing. Elevators should only have one person at a time, unless they’re large enough for everyone to maintain at least 6 ft distance from each other.
I cannot believe that people really took wiping down groceries seriously. We never spent even a second thinking about doing that. It is so obvious that this virus spreads primarily through extended contact with infected persons in confined spaces.
Completely agree. My packages and mail came right in the house, too.
We never wiped anything down either, but we’re not in a hot spot and never have been. If I’d been in NYC or a similar hot spot I suspect we would have just to be extra careful. Where more virus exists, more things are possible.
Here I pretty much figured anything out there would have died in transit. The virus has a shelf life. The longest seems to be inside a human.
While masks are in no way perfect, they ought to at least lighten the virus load, which last I knew, made a difference. More virus in = worse (at least as a correlation). In any event, I have no issue wearing a mask in public (not outside on walks, etc where social distancing is easy) and have seen some interesting/creative designs around here. If folks in our grocery store stopped wearing them as things potentially get worse, I’d stop shopping there TBH. I’m not nearly as worried about what people touch. I can wash my hands when I get home after putting things away and I usually hop in the shower too.
Everyone has to pick their level of risk. To me, the riskiest areas are inside with others who are talking/singing/coughing and the longer the exposure the more the risk.
Not only was the FL scientist who created several of the applications, dashboards and maps in FL removed from her post, she was canned. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5218897002
There is no mention in the article of weather or outdoor lifestyle as a factor.
It’s absolutely theoretically possible to get COVID from contaminated surfaces and objects if one touches eyes/nose/mouth afterward. But in the last couple of weeks, I’ve relaxed a bit from it as I focus more on just washing my hands well after handling them (though I have always washed produce, more to get dirt and grit off of them). Social distancing/wearing a mask has been more of a priority as most of the nurses I know say their cases have been very very strongly skewed towards obvious community spread. And one good thing from all this is that early on I totally cured myself of a very bad habit of constantly touching my face.
But if someone wants to sanitize their groceries, it’s no skin off my nose and I don’t see any reason whatsoever to criticize them for it or insinuate that they are being silly. It doesn’t hurt anyone else.
I wish the government would use some common sense and not have a blanket statement about the opening of churches. Some have very small congregations and can distance quite easily. I would say my mother’s church distances every Sunday in the pews! LOL Some of the Catholic masses in my area are quite full and obviously shouldn’t open.
There should be guidelines but churches should be allowed to open if they can do so safely. In my state churches aren’t opening until phase 4.
I have felt throughout this ordeal that every place I have gone and everyone I have encountered has tried very hard to be very careful. I really feel like where I live people are doing the best they can and have been smart and reasonable.
I marvel at the bravery of the cashiers, retail, and take-out restaurant employees. I appreciate them and thank them every single time for being there for us. It’s becoming normal now but for the first month or so it was so unknown and frightening yet these people were there day in and day out. I miss talking with random people and casual conversations with strangers. It’s what makes our culture warm and friendly.
My husband is a biologist and is still wiping down groceries and the ironing the mail. It doesn’t take that long and it’s good for our peace of mind. We are in a hot spot as well. I agree completely biggest worry is extended stays in indoor spaces.
I’m meeting a client on Friday to see if we can squeeze a deck into his tiny yard. We’ll be outside with masks on. I’m not too worried.
I have seen in some country (maybe China?) They allowed 4 people in an elevator, one in each corner, face to the wall/corner. There were stickers on the floor indicating where and how to stand.
eta: of course, there are some elevators that are still too small for even that
You have super powerful eyes you can see the virus? I didn’t think it was that “obvious” to anyone.
Hospital and everywhere wipe any surface in sight. Grocery stores having people wiping carts, railings, anything in there eye sight because they don’t want an infected person touching the surface, then an uninfected person touching the same spot and touch their face. Sure the chance of getting infected with that is less than someone coughing in your face, but it’s not that far fetched considering we didn’t know anything about the virus at the beginning. Groceries bags that brought in to your home by someone else is just another potential infected surface. In the absence of evidence, we use educated guess, better paranoid than dead.
As for me, I wiped the external bag of the food delivery where the person touched, at the beginning where we ran out of ventilators in the hospital. I no longer do that knowing i may be taking a tiny risk. I don’t wipe groceries bags because i bagged them myself. I don’t wipe mails but i wash my hands right after i open and dispose them.