Coronavirus May 2020 - Observations, information, discussion

Unemployment in many areas is expected to exceed 20%. Many businesses have or will declare BK and not re-open even if a C19 cure is found today. As soon as the extra $600 federal addition to unemployment ends there will be plenty of people looking for work. The economy is going to be/already is so damaged, people will be lining up around the block for McJobs. Finding people to fill job openings is going to be the least of the worries with reopening schools.

What would they do if they were in any other job, @thumper1? I am surprised if your public system has many employees over age 65, but if so, they could return to work if they wish. Unfortunately, I do not think that many other accomodations would be possible to further isolate them in a svhool system, but some might be moved to administration positions.

@Creekland, wealthy areas always have difficulty getting low paid workers, regardless of COVID. Places that make it work either have affordable housing nearby or transportation for poorer commuters.

Our school has 8 different committees formed to assess what to do and how to do it for the fall. They include things like transportation, facilities, special education, staffing, and more. If it were legal I’d put some of your names on the list to be on the various committees since you have all the answers. We don’t pretend to.

It sounds like they have it well planned. Congrats!

There are tens of thousands of public school districts across the US. Many have faced a huge variety of challenging circumstances and adapted to them before. I have confidence they will do so again; flexibility and adaptability will be important for all of us going forward.

Does your opinion just speak to the modeling / forecasting of the site? For example, are the mobility and confirmed infections believed to be valid? The IMHE is new to me.

Alabama is shown as the most mobile state, with confirmed infections tracking mobility with about a 3-week lag. So maybe not such a surprise?

Your contact is wrong. All you are doing is repeating speculation. One of the main things my husband has done since the crisis has begun is get funding for Covid related expenses. I assure you - he has much greater knowledge of how this works and will work, then your contact, because that is a huge part of his job pre-Covid and now even more.

And now you are speculating this program will be permanent with absolutely no basis in fact.

Thanks for the chuckle! (The thought that we live in a wealthy area!) We live in a statistically average area. The median income in PA is almost 61K according to google. In my county it’s just under 57K.

About 31% of Pennsylvanians have a bachelor’s or higher according to the census website. My school district has 25.4% of parents with at least a 4 year degree.

Yep, we’re wealthy!

If it is statistically average, then it is unlikely to be a low unemployment area anymore. Few places are.

From a good opinion piece on the most insane public policy blunder in living memory. The costs of this are only going to become fully evident in the next decades.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html

During the shutdown, I agree. After the shutdown, folks who want to are going back to work. Those who don’t want to will need to be replaced. Thus, the beginning of my question. Where will schools get the extra people from?

I noted before that we have food factories. Those are the typical places for lower income folks to work. Many students get summer jobs there (including two of mine in their day). They don’t close. They aren’t laying folks off.

I’ve yet to read of a business permanently closing in my county. There may be some that do, but will the folks who were employed there suddenly decide they want to drive bus instead and be willing to take the class to get certified for it - esp for a part time job with no health insurance?

So why doesn’t Sweden have better economic numbers than the rest of the world?

Your bus drivers are over 65 and can’t return to work? Really? It seems highly unlikely. More likely there may be some food service personnel. I think your applicants will come from the restaurants that close. Glad you do not have any business closures, you seem unique in that regard.

source?

https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/2014teacherdemographics.html

No one says they all aren’t coming back, but yes, many are older - not necessarily older than 65 (I don’t ask, but many are retired from other jobs).

No one has ever said no staff is coming back. You’re going off on the extremes to try to prove some sort of point. I’m trying to get people to think about reality.

Again, reality is that huge unemployment is going to mean it will not be hard to fill most jobs, especially low skilled jobs. This is not going to be the big issue with schools.

Why in the world did you post this long response to my question? I’m simply asking if it’s actually true that younger children actually don’t transmit this disease to teachers and employees (or each other) if they are infected with it. Your response has nothing to do with what I’m asking.

Time will tell. Our school isn’t nearly as confident as both of you.

Sorry… I got carried away with the conversation in general - likely frustrated that so many who likely have NO experience with school (behind the scenes) are so sure they have all the answers vs what I see and hear IRL.

I should bow out now and go do something productive like computer games.

(One can possible guess it’s rainy here and I haven’t been outside as much!)