Coronavirus May 2020 - Observations, information, discussion

^^sure, but CA and TX are way down the list on the deaths rates.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

@camathmom --you can always click the link to the poster’s name to see their history on the board (join date, what other threads they have participated in). (I trust my November 2004 join date meets with your approval … my kids are no longer kids, college is a distant memory… but grandson is on track to graduate high school in 8 years --:slight_smile: I just keep on coming back because I’d never be able to figure out which household appliances to buy and what to do with them without the parent cafe.)

If a particular poster becomes irksome, click on the link to their name, and then on the top of the page, find the button marked “Edit Profile”. When you click on that you will see a drop-down option to “Ignore”. So I think that will block their posts. That’s how it works in desktop view - I don’t know about mobile.

Death rates lag behind case rates.

Los Angeles County CA has most of the California deaths. They’re having a spike right now which is not yet under control. California got a late start on testing, for reasons I don’t quite understand.

Michigan’s stay-at-home order has been extended until June 12th. Some of the restrictions will be loosened next week, but it’s still pretty strict.

Observations of the high school aged set – per my teens’ social media, many teens are enjoying the beautiful weather and social distancing is not very prevalent in those posts. Lots of gatherings of all sizes. Plenty of drive-by birthday parades, many of which end up being impromptu gatherings in the front yard of the birthday teen. Most seniors are done with school, although our district’s seniors have another week, and our younger kids have another 3 weeks. Online school is not working out well for many people we know.

With the holiday weekend, many people will be headed to their cabins in the northern counties. There are far fewer cases of C19 there, and I hope it stays that way. We’ll see.

Central Ca on coast- our county is encouraging people to get tested even if no symptoms. We have several friends who have appointments in the next week to be tested. Another friend went to Quest lab this week for an antibody test. He feels if he tests positive it will help him with his job.
Observations- County is opening up dining if restaurants can self certify they meet certain conditions. The city is closing one of the main streets and will allow restaurants to put tables on the sidewalks and into parking lots to accommodate more people dining outside. Beaches will be packed this weekend. We drove mid day to pick up lunch. The restaurant we picked up at wasn’t open for dine in but several spots we drove by did have people eating outside and also inside. Our county and the county above us are discouraging tourists from outside the area. Hotels are not suppose to rent rooms to anyone aside from essential workers. I’m not ready to go out to eat but I might go inside a small store to make a purchase.
I’ve also decided to enjoy this time as a gift to slow down. I’ve never spent so much time in my outside space. I’m not discounting the suffering of so many people. I think by staying home we have saved many lives.
For those who mention that most dying are older I say that my loved one who died was late 80s but had a lot of years of life left. He went into a skilled nursing after an orthopedic surgery and ended up with Covid. Prior to the surgery he lived independently and was of sound mind and body.

HI has had 6 or fewer new cases/day for nearly a month now. Most of our cases were people traveling into our state—returning residents & visitors.

I think Indiana has done many things right. Transparency with nursing home data is not one of them. 40% of our deaths are in long-term care facilities.

This draws lots of questions and criticisms at the governor/health director press conferences, but the end result hasn’t changed: loved ones cannot find out the testing and positivity rate for a particular nursing home. The facilities are responsible for communicating “applicable information”, but it appears many of them are not. The frustration continues to grow.

How/what information are those of you in other states being provided?

The sales were made under a 105b-1. I don’t think anything nefarious is going on - the 105b-1 was created for exactly these sort of situations (insiders selling stock). Everything looks to have been done above-board.

Most likely they set a price target in advance and the sale executed automatically. It’s not like they called up their broker that day and put in a sell order.

The CEO netted 1.2M which sounds like a lot but is probably a tiny fraction of his shares/options.

“ Rule 10b5-1 allows company insiders to set up a predetermined plan to sell company stocks in accord with insider trading laws.

The price, amount, and sales dates must be specified in advance and determined by a formula or metrics.

Both the seller and the broker making the sales must not have access to any material nonpublic information (MNPI).”

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rule-10b5-1.asp

Hawaii. Note that the state has a 14 day mandatory quarantine for all arrivals from out-of-state or between islands.

https://www.hawaiitourismauthority.org/news/alerts/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/

@my3girls Thank you for posting that article! (saved me some research) Just today my neighbor came over (in the front yard) and we were discussing things - the state of the world - He works for himself in an industry that has been shut down and told me he has about a month left of savings before he goes broke. His wife works at a big box store and they stopped providing health insurance years ago (I didn’t know that). He mentioned that in April, there were ZERO deaths attributed to seasonal flu. The implication was that all flu deaths (and there MUST have been many) were attributed to COVID19 to inflate those numbers. Everything is a conspiracy these days.

People are violating our quarantine law and being arrested for violations.

Out of staters interviewed on TV here today made it clear they are ignoring the quarantine requirement.

How one restaurant / bar will enforce social distancing requirements:
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/fish-tales-bar-and-grill-ocean-city-restaurant-bumper-tables-revolution-event-design-and-production/32585617#

Out of staters post on social media about all their fun adventures, totally blowing off HI’s quarantine and get arrested. They’re endangering our state, which has gotten covid19 under good control.

It’s terribly disrespectful and illegal to go to another state and ignore the rules. Penalties are up to a year in jail and $5000 fine!

If HI really cared they would just stop the flights, the reality is HI can’t just take the money and not show her knickers. If the state wants to shut down to non residents, they do it at the airports and ports. Easier than landlocked states for sure. But that takes balls and leadership, as does the alternate approach. The South Dakota Sioux might be a model for a nervous HI. Or not, at some point, soon, HI will have to open up and hope for the best.

Yes but to me his case is on the same very rare scale as those who end up with an amputation after the flu. https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/man-loses-feet-fingers-flu-septic-shock.html

There are years where hundreds of children die of the flu and where almost 50 vaccinated children still died of the flu. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0403-flu-vaccine.html

But We don’t upend our lives because that on rare occasion occurs. COVID is not the same as the flu. It’s much more dangerous for many reasons. But these situations are outliers that should not be the reason to have a lockdown. Society does accept that there will be rare events where communicable disease will cost someone their lives that might have been prevented with a lockdown. But not at the rate that COVID does for older people. That we do need action for. But Focusing on the rare rare healthy young people who have massive problems is a less than honest approach.

I think if we had real COVID19 mortality stats and a real SARS-CoV-2 number (even in our locales) the literate American could truly think about the bigger picture, but in reality these are not being released and most of us don’t think beyond our small existence. Focusing on some random guy who makes the tabloids is all the news many people can digest. It isn’t even bad if this is what keeps people afraid enough to maybe wash their hands and be a bit careful?

In PA. Today I went to a store for only the second time since March 9. H and I are training for a fall marathon and needed to be fitted for new running shoes. Our local running store finally opened yesterday and today we made the 40 minute trip.

Upon entering, right in the doorway, was a table with hand sanitizer for customers. Everyone, customers and employees, was wearing a mask. The policy was one clerk to one customer; there were 4 free clerks when we entered. Chairs to sit in while trying on shoes were spread 6 ft apart. While we were there 2 other people entered, one just to chat (happy to see them open) and one to buy shoes. I believe the fitting room for clothes was not in use but the store did indicate they were taking returns within 30 days.

Clerk said yesterday was busy the first couple hours, today less so but they expect a bigger crowd tomorrow. They only let in 3-4 customers at a time, the rest have to wait in a physically distanced line outside.

My hair salon is allowed to reopen 6/1, they are calling all customers who had appointments cancelled back in March to get them in first. They are running extended hours to see more clients but in a safe manner. There are only two stylists and two chairs so I think it will take them awhile to get to me, but I am ok as I had my H give me a pixie cut with the clippers!

@“Cardinal Fang” – I think California authorities decided early on to prioritize testing of symptomatic people & health care workers, probably because of limitations on testing capacity. I think as soon as they recognized that there was community spread and that containment was not a realistic option, they shifted toward mitigation efforts. That was certainly a successful strategy in Northern California, even though that probably resulted in a significant undercount of overall infection rate.

Here’s a quote from an archives statement from March 5th, from my county health department: