And now another hair stylist who went to work while symptomatic. SMH
“A second Missouri hairstylist who showed up for work at a salon earlier this month while exhibiting coronavirus symptoms may have exposed as many as 56 clients, health officials said. On Saturday, officials said that another symptomatic hairstylist at the Great Clips salon in Springfield may have exposed up to 84 customers and seven coworkers while working for eight days between May 12 and May 20.”
Is there a problem with doing all of these things @cptofthehouse
On February 29th, you asked this forum if it was ok to fly in the US.
Are you suggesting that, if you were in charge in January, you would have taken drastic nationwide measures when 6 weeks later you couldn’t decide for yourself whether to fly?
It’ll definitely be helpful if all are on board. I refuse to get involved in armchair quarterbacking the past (esp for something brand new) or taking sides with various politics that seem to make one take sides in the present.
I want the best for the future. Let’s see what science/medicine and perhaps nature can do.
I just finished watching a very promising medical hope on BBC World News (TV, so no link). They’re starting to identify things in Covid patients’ blood that will help them determine at early onset who is likely to get worse and who isn’t - allowing them to intervene earlier which will hopefully make a difference - plus - if they are getting more data on effective treatments that can only help.
If I must get the disease sooner or later, I prefer later. Let the folks who know far more than I do figure more of these things out to give me better odds.
Some states just opened up this last week. I’m not sure how this statement can be made with certainty. It’s been less than a week for most places.
Observed this morning: during my run at oh dark thirty, I needed a pit stop, so I swung by my office. Came through the back hall while two groups of policemen (group of 3 and a group of 2) were checking in at the desk with another policeman. None of the 6 was wearing a mask or had one in a hand. The groups were definitely not 6 feet apart, not even 2 feet. I believe they do temp checks on them at the beginning as they have a thermometer on the table, but I didn’t see them use it today. Maybe it was the end of their shift.
I still have not seen anyone in my building with a mask, but I did see a worker driving with one on yesterday. Baby steps?
We also had our second death last week. Department of health website says both were white women 80+.
My plan is to make no changes to what I am doing until after Independence Day, regardless of whatever additional openings occur. I’m sticking with one trip to the grocery store per week. I have gone to two medical appointments since this started. One had been rescheduled, and I just went to that rescheduled appointment this past week. No more on the calendar until January of 2021. I’m still contemplating my dental appointment (which was rescheduled from April) that is set for July 2nd. Dh and I do go to the beach and sit and SD with friends. I only go once or twice per week (definitely not this holiday weekend). I have seen only one person wearing a mask on the beach. I do not wear a mask on the beach, but it is easy to be far apart. I wear a mask in the grocery store. The number of folks doing so there is dwindling each week by my observations. It’s sad to me.
A friend pointed out that people were initially resistant to wearing seatbelts back in the day but once the benefits became more widely documented, compliance increased. The distinction, however, is seatbelts help the wearer but mask wearing helps others. We (collective, societal “we”) tend to be a self-centered bunch - not an others-focused bunch.
It’s been two weeks since Mother’s Day, That sort of coincided with the beginning of things opening up. I saw many photos on social media that day indicating people began loosening personal practices to see mom. As @Creekland pointed out, it can be awhile before symptoms develop. This is a huge holiday weekend, and restrictions have lessened even more since Mother’s Day. I think we will have a pretty clear picture of trajectory by July 4th.
South Carolina, Georgia and Florida opened on May 1.
Reviewing a person or organization’s performance in order to vilify isn’t terribly helpful right now, but it does help to know in who or what you will place faith in the future. IOW, it’s a waste of time to criticize the WHO for the sake of deflecting or placing blame but it’s very legit to examine what the WHO did and when for the purpose of determining how much you’re going to rely on them in the future.
Similar process to how when various scientists have made announcements about a new breakthrough people look at their track record to see if this is a respected scientist with history of publishing replicable work or is someone whose past work has been discredited.
IMO, one of the reasons some people are pushing back against legitimate new recommendations and information at this point is that they do not feel the WHO, CDC or government in most countries have earned their trust. Whether the blunders have been mistakes or something less savory, the unfortunate result is the same - there are few leaders or organizations remaining that have strong credibility. That’s a huge problem because IMO it’s going to be very difficult to get the public cooperation needed to buy in and cooperate with measures that appear necessary to curb the infection, like wearing masks, if people don’t trust the person or organization making the recommendation.
If you don’t understand why people are resisting (and I don’t think for most people it’s that they’re dumber than the average person), it’s tough to figure out how to shift that behavior. If a large part of the resistance comes from distrust of the CDC, WHO and government that’s a problem but it can and should be addressed by first recognizing it and then finding credible sources to send the message instead of just shaking our heads at the “bad” behavior.
I am increasingly sure that the C19 pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, that China was aware of this early on, and that at the highest political levels China decided to try to take strategic advantage of what I have to assume was an unintentional breach.
I would not be surprised at all to find out that the WHO was tasked with deflecting blame.
Oh, brother. 
Getting our house ready to put on the market:
Guys arrived to move furniture to garage in anticipation of having wood floors worked on and carpet replaced in a downstairs secondary bedroom:
None were wearing masks. We provided them some.
Carpet guys arrived, none wearing masks. We provided them. No one balked.
But clearly, not their standard practice to wear masks.
Plenty of people are not wearing masks. Instead of ordering food and waiting curbside or snatching it off the porch after the delivery guy has safely retreated, go into a restaurant sometime and look around.
We have done that five times at four different restaurants since the crisis started. Three restaurants had basically no one wearing masks. The fourth had everyone wearing masks, but it was obviously swamped, and there were literally 8-10 people behind the counter and checkout registers standing so close that many were physically touching. Kitchen looked even more hectic from what I could see!
@Hoggirl - our family and business plan is very similar to yours. After things started opening here, we have observed (from a distance) a mix of behaviors and want to wait to see what happens before we stop distancing or taking other precautions. We’ve been talking about seeing what’s happening and what the data looks like by the end of June. Our employees are fine with that - they’re glad there’s still a safe job and the workarounds are not too cumbersome. My oldest son is also fine - he’s happy immersing himself in his ongoing college classes (his quarter doesn’t end until mid-June) and is more of an introvert anyways. But my youngest son - the happy extrovert of the family - is miserable. He would really love to get together with his friends.
Yep.
Where H works, they are doing their best to enforce mask wearing employee to employee. He says it is not easy & admits he gets tired of telling his crew to put their masks on.
The management team there is trying to figure out how heavy handed they want to go (writing people up, sending them home). Right now it’s just a lot of verbal reminders.
Even though I’ve been sick with C19 & maybe have some immunity for some amount of time, I do not want to return to work and find myself in crowded conditions with unmasked coworkers.
I hope to see my mother someday, and assume I will have to be tested before that can happen. So a test that is fast and readily available is important to me. Protecting our seniors is important., but isolating them from each other and their families for months on end is not protecting.
It is not always easy for the vulnerable to isolate. Many live with kids or other family members. Many don’t have more than one bathroom to quarantine within the home effectively, either.
Some of the vulnerable are also forced to work, or take public transportation.
When people say the vulnerable can isolate and the rest of the population can loosen up, it just ignores the reality of how people live.
Of course the most vulnerable, the very elderly in nursing homes and other facilities, cannot isolate at all. They tend to have roommates and shared bathrooms and are cared for by aides and nurses who go in and out of the facility.
Authoritarian central governments are not necessarily omniscient about things happening in each local area. Indeed, a previous example of an authoritarian central government not knowing what was happening in local areas until it was too late was the 1959-1961 famine in China, where local governments were reporting increased crop yields instead of the disastrous crop failures that were actually occurring (being the bearer of bad news or a whistleblower is more dangerous in authoritarian environments). The Wuhan local government playing cover-up until COVID-19 became too obvious is consistent with this kind of thing.
Look, there are all kinds of crazy people in this world and I wouldn’t let one isolated shooting incident dictate the no mask wearing policy of my store.
The whole discussion is silly to me. If customers don’t obey the policies of the business, they are asked to leave. If they don’t leave, law enforcement will get involved.
Rule breakers don’t get to determine what rules they follow and which ones they don’t inside your own business.
These masks requirements are to protect ALL customers, why should a not complying customer be allowed to put everyone else health in danger?
I was at Home Depot yesterday. No mask, no entry. It’s a pretty simple concept.
Except that there are no generally credible sources any more. Most people these days consider credibility based on partisan political alignment, so COVID-19 is now largely a partisan political issue, rather than a public health issue. So we will be divided, and so we will fall and fail at both containing the virus and restoring the economy.