Observed at the Whole Foods deli counter during my weekly shop today: woman working behind the counter grabs edge of her mask to take off, turns her head to sneeze in her shoulder, toward the open store, then puts mask back on, adjusting it on outside of nose several times. I think she missed the training.
You are timely: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32369678 “males seem to not only be more susceptible to the infection compared to female subjects, at least in western countries, but their case fatality rate attributable to SARS-CoV-2 infection is also highest.”
I am still trying to figure out what everyone thinks the end goal should be. Those who can afford it think that we should shelter in place until there is a vaccine. There are many states that wont open still for another month, and then likely to just open one tiny part. I would assume that most want this to be gone like in Australia or New Zealand, or even Hawaii, now that tourists are not there before they feel safe. in the places that its spreading like crazy, such as prisons, what is the rate of the death? Apparently the rate of asymptomatic is high.
Should we be loosening things for the young people who dont live at home and dont come into contact with the vulnerable. (wear masks in public places). Let them gather and herd? I guess that does still put others at risk. I try to look at Sweden. I have a feeling that many are getting restless. WE have been shelter in place in many areas for over 6 weeks and many states are saying, hey, we are closed down for another 4, and then 4 weeks from now… Should we open camps up for kids whose parents feel safe sending them, with young adults running them? What will the parents that have to work do with their kids? Schools in the fall. ?
We know this spreads like crazy and nothing right now stops it. I do have to look at the viewpoint of what if myself and or my husband got this. What if my husband being male and over 60 passed away. What risks will I take.? So far I will go out and go to stores, but try to SD and wear a mask . I do think if we get it what steps we would take to try to prevent us from dying. When would we determine to go to the hospital.? What treatments would we try to ask for. What works?
Being fine now, I feel like, sure , let me go to the store . Let my young adults go work somewhere. Maybe go to a restaurant with outdoor seating. But if I was to get sick, maybe I would feel differently. If I had the antibodies, I think I would feel differently. Not that I would feel immune completely, but could relax a bit.
Just thinking out loud since my 21 year old is having a mental breakdown that her summer dream job was taken away and she has no prospects . Watching that makes me cry for her. My 19 year old has become a recluse and hermit with no end in site. Sorry for prattling. I feel like this is the only place I can do so.
You are not alone.
We’ve discussed potential long-term deficits from COVID-19 before. But have we previously mentioned the long term problems from the clots? There might be more people who survive COVID-19, but need dialysis for life or have serious stroke-related deficits, than there are deaths.
Which person on this board has said anything like that? Please give names and quotes, since I have read every message in this thread and the previous one and not seen such a thing.
Stats in my area (Ontario) are as follows:
- 18,722 confirmed cases
- 70% cases resolved (recoveries + deaths)
- 1,429 reported deaths (7.6%)
- 41.8% of cases are male
- 57.3% are female
- 43.8% of cases are 60 years of age and older
- 12.2% of cases were hospitalized
Ages: 19 and under 2.5%
Ages: 20-39 23.4%
Ages: 40-59 30.2%
Ages: 60-79 21.8%
Ages: 80 and over 22.0%
We currently have:
Number of patients hospitalized with COVID-197 1032
Number of patients in ICU with COVID-19 219
Number of patients in ICU on a ventilator with COVID-19 174
We hit our peak around April 24th and new case numbers have been fluctuating since then in the high 300’s/low 400’s but with a slight downward trend. Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 70% of deaths that have occurred were in long-term care or senior’s residences which is an appalling figure.
We had a small loosening of restrictions on Monday with a few more businesses allowed to open but nothing too significant. Our current SAH order is in effect until May 19th when phase 2 is expected to be implemented.
Let me know if you need a virtual admin/assistant. A NYC-based friend is looking.
S19 and S21 - way too much online gaming in the absence of in-person contact. S19 will give it up when he heads back to college, I worry that it is habit-forming for S21, but he is my extrovert and now his only contact with friends is the multi-player games. I hear him chattering as he plays.
There was a report of an actor who had to have his leg amputated. They had put him on anticoagulants due blood clots but had to cease due to internal bleeding. The only recourse was amputation.
Realistically, we should all be hoping for advances in medical knowledge that will more clearly define risk levels of death and disability and reduce those risk levels. Only that will reduce the number of deaths and disabilities (as opposed to merely delaying them) and give people enough confidence to return to normal economic activity (even if all added government restrictions are lifted, many now will not).
We really have no idea of the long term effects COVID will have on some people. This is just one of many unknowns, which is why I’m in the more cautious camp. Here’s one example:
I’m curious. Did they indicate any trends, such as where they think those people are getting it? Are they mostly essential workers? grocery? medical workers? first responders?
There are people with serious lung problems as detected in imaging post covid19 as well. The side effects appear to be enduring long after other symptoms are gone.
20% of Americans live in multi-generational households, either two different adult generations, or grandparents living with grandchildren. A lot of these Americans are on the low end of the income scale; they’re working now because they have low-paid essential jobs, or because they need the money.
The effect of opening up the economy more, without a good regime of testing, contract tracing and isolation, will be to ensure that more people out and about (because they believe it’s their right to catch and transmit contagious diseases, and they themselves don’t think they’re at risk) will become infected, and will in turn infect the people who are working because they have to. And that will mean more death of the older household members of these low-income people.
It may not be the intention of the open-now crowd to kill old poor people, but that will be the effect. The virus doesn’t care about your good intentions.
Do they not really believe what they advised or do they think the rules they devised do not apply to them?
Plus, the governor of Illinois’ family flew a private jet to their home in Florida after the governor issued a ‘no unnecessary travel’ order. But then going to one’s horse farm estate may be considered necessary to billionaires.
Some of us believe that the same deaths will occur, regardless of whether we open in May or August or January. The virus is widespread enough that at some point, we can all expect to be exposed to it, and some percentage of those exposed will die, despite the available treatments. We can (and have) spread out the contagion enough (in most of the US) that those seeking treatment can obtain it at their local hospital, so that people will not die from being unable to access treatment,but rather in spite of it. That is true for other diseases as well, not just COVID-19.
You don’t believe that frequent testing, contact tracing and isolation, on a lower initial level of infection, will make any difference at all? These well-worn public health measures will do nothing at all if adopted? What is your basis for this belief?
And at the opposite end of the age spectrum, there are reports that nearly 1 in 5 young children are going hungry due to the pandemic, and their parents inability to get food. (today’s NYT).
Hope is not a goal nor is it realistic. Sorry.