If the test is non-invasive, then sure it should be easy to get consent. If the test involves jamming a 6-inch q-tip up your nose until it hits your throat, then sorry I’m going to pass until I have actual symptoms.
I’m guessing the following:
heating or air conditioning systems (china found the virus in air systems and turns them off for people being quarantined to prevent spread)
people got sick at the store getting groceries
the mail
riding the elevator downstairs to get mail in multi-floor buildings?
people getting sick are family members of essential workers who got sick. (what I suspect is most likely)
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Cuomo has admitted many times he wishes he had acted sooner.
He is not going to make the same mistakes twice and open up regions which don’t reach the benchmarks he has issued.
It’s called learning from your mistakes.
My husband actually argued that the governor shouldn’t issue the emergency declaration on March 7th (while we were at the Bat Mitzvah) because his EO’s covered the same things. The Gov didn’t listen to him. Iirc, he found out it was issued while we were at the party or the next morning, as we were leaving to drive back to Albany.
I’ve been waiting for the Federal Govt to own up to their mistakes but they keep saying they have done everything perfectly and it’s all going beautifully.
That research is my someone at MIT, not unscientific. It has been out since at least 2014. Participles that come out of people’s mouths were thought to be large or small droplets but the 2014 study showed people expel turbulent gas clouds when they talk, sneeze, cough, and maybe just breath that can send both large and small particles very far distances (much further than 6 feet) and these can hand in the air for up to 3 hours. I think this is especially indoors and in smaller spaces.
Personally I don’t wear a mask outside in my own neighborhood where we can walk an hour and rarely see another person. I think that’s safe enough to be on the other side of the street from the rare person we ever end up seeing. Hope so! Indoors I think 6 feet is pretty darn close.
How are other countries having numbers come down if it is so inevitable?
DH was notified (back in mid-March), 13 days after exposure, that someone at his workplace had covid. He guessed who it was - the occupant of the office next to his - based on “last date of contact” (everyone else worked in the office a week after she decided to work from home, which she started doing 3-4 days before the schools shut down).
DH nor anyone in our family had symptoms, nor have we since. We all stayed home Day 14 (which we were going to do anyway), figured we were safe based on the two week window scientists were touting, and didn’t give it another thought. No testing done. Not that we’re opposed, but if that’s how contact tracing is going to go down, I don’t see how it is going to be of much help.
Yeah my son, who tested negative for the corona virus but as you know positive for mono, described the pain bringing him to tears. A big strong 18yo. It didn’t sound like it was easy.
@emilybee He is not going to make the same mistakes twice and open up regions which don’t reach the benchmarks he has issued.
No, he is holding NYS residents hostage to try to get more federal money out of Trump to bail out NYS long-standing budget problems. He is using the economy of NY as leverage against Trump. It’s that simple.
Now that he shared 68% of hospital cases are people staying home I really don’t know what his case is to keep the people way up in Canton, NY or all the way out in Alfred, NY sheltering in place.
I cannot remember which podcast it was…an interview with a supervisor at a meat packing plant in Sioux Falls.
She explained that she was grateful for the 2 weeks paid sick leave (she got COVID), but she was losing a lot of money because she relied on a high number of overtime hours each week ($$$) in order to support her family here in the States, and back home in the Sudan.
Sick pay was “only” 40 hours.
I thought of this story when someone upthread was discussing reasons why someone might not want to be tested, or might want to keep working, etc.
it will help because people will find out sooner, and NOT have to sit at home for 14 days for nothing. So in your situation, if you DH got tested a few days after exposure (they need to figure out how long after exposure that it shows up on a test), then all of you would be free move about your business instead of all sitting at home for nothing.
I’m a wuss (almost fainted during my plasma donation!), but I didn’t find the swab to be a big deal. It wasn’t pleasant, but it was really just a momentary discomfort. Definitely no reason not to be tested. And even the plasma donation wasn’t bad enough that I wouldn’t go back; I think I’d just make sure to drink more in the 24-hours leading up to it.
I just received an email job notification.
Hiring contact tracers in Lake County, IL — Chicagoland.
You can’t usually sit on Japanese trains. You are usually crammed into them. However, they did do staggered start times. Pretty much 100% of people have been wearing masks during this outbreak from every early into it.
Japanese don’t generally talk on trains, though.
People tend to stand a bit further apart when talking than people in Europe and America and way more so than people in central and South America.
People also talk in a way that would be considered mumbling here. If you enunciate your words like we do here it sounds strange. This might produce less spittle. People tend to talk in softer voices over all but not down to the individual. People also don’t make direct eye contact when talking all that often and look more at the other person’s nose or down a bit when speaking. People bow instead of shaking hands when they meet. it isn’t a big country of huggers, either.
People clean things a lot more on average than in the USA it seems to me from my time living in both places.
Also, many people there reported being sick and told they could not be tested. I think their numbers are bogus for the most part. I think they tried to say they had low numbers based on not testing people because they wanted to Olympics. They only did the stay home order very, very late in the game when things got very bad. Hospitals were reportedly flooded and couldn’t keep up with cases. I am extremely skeptical of the accuracy of their fatality and also case numbers.
Still, it does seem to me from here from what I can tell that they have things more handled than we do. I wonder if they are using some treatments we are not or what. I think the massive use of masks alone is very huge.
My point was to answer Fang’s question about why people wouldn’t want to get tested. My answer is that we didn’t find out until Day 13.
If they can get contact notification down to half that time, swell. I hear most folks start to show symptoms between Day 3 and Day 14, so notification before, say, Day 8 may only be realistic for a small percentage of cases. Maybe sooner when rapid tests are more widely available, which they aren’t yet around here.
Just this week, I told my daughter …I would like to see the bow replace handshaking post-covid. I like the bow. Seems very respectful.
In the Grand Rounds at USCF School of Medicine, we heard from a person setting up contact tracing for the city of San Francisco. He described his vision of an army of tracers, getting info about people who test positive from the envisioned frequent testing. The contact tracers spring into action, getting the contact info from the person who tested positive, trying to reach the identified contacts (which would never include someone the infected person passed in the grocery store; that’s not who they go after), talking to the contacts to try to get them tested, get them isolated, and to get their contacts. And then they do the same with the second level contacts.
The main job requirement, apparently, is charm.
I can think of a few possibilities:
- There are different skill levels of practitioners - certainly when I have blood drawn, the experience has a wide variation of pain level and bleeding afterward.
- My son was just feeling really crummy from being sick and the test pushed him over the discomfort edge.
- There are different methodologies of testing, even for the swabbing itself.
I will absolutely get tested if it’s available too, so will my family, and friends I talked to. I was on a conf call today and many asked when the company will provide testing for the employees as we return to work in the office. They said they are working on it but it’s very hard right now to order the test in large quantity. Budget isn’t the issue, but said it would be morally wrong to take away from the first-responders, essential workers and and patients who have symptom.
The way they are trapping it in S. Korea is by testing as soon as possible exposure has happened - the more widely we test, the more we find that are asymptomatic and the more that the contacts to the asymptomatic positives will be tested.
The government must believe that the rapid tests will pick up the virus pretty quickly after exposure because Trump’s valet tested positive yesterday and meetings continued with governors (yesterday and today) and many others - without social distancing and without masks. The president and VP both tested negative yesterday and today, so they must think the tests are accurate quickly after potential exposure. If not, we’ll soon find out.
Some of the vaccine companies are supposedly not waiting for approval and are starting to manufacture now or soon, so that they will have lots of supply when approved. Of course, all of that manufacturing will be wasted if the vaccine does not work, is not approved, or needs to be changed.