I’m on the Board of our Home Owners’ Association. There is a debate on whether or not to open our pool for the summer, or how to open it and when. There is no way to monitor what goes on at the pool…there are no lifeguards and the location is away from internet and cell signals. I voted NO because no one at all is going to follow social distancing guidelines while there, and it will become crowded and crazy on day one. Hopefully the other members will listen to me.
No lifeguards? No cell phone signals? What if there is an emergency?
I live in GA, and many have said that we opened too soon. (personally though I am happy that we have choice). Also in the meantime teenage permit holders can get their license if the parents say they are ready and 30K already have! Plus our numbers lag by 14 days.
On the positive, anyone who wants a test seems to be able to get one,. They are opening up testing at church parking lots and other areas. I was able to get an antibody test pretty easily.
From a person level, I feel comfortable with some activities that others would not. I went to Macys the other day. It was pretty empty on a weekday and everyone wore masks. Spots on the floor where to stand for returns and checkout. Went to the grocery store later that day and not the same. No one way aisles and not everyone wearing masks. (though most were). I would see my hair person, but would not go to a bowling alley. I do the cat adoptions and wear my mask when we have people at the shelter.
What is your solution? I’m genuinely curious. Do we ignore the viurs, open everything and go on as if nothing has happened? And if you advocate partial reopening, what would that look like?
What if we reopen everything – and businesses still go under. Because the masses aren’t out shopping. Or eating out and hanging out in bars. Or traveling. Either because they’re scared or are being frugal.
How do you solve that problem?
One of my local supermarkets in Brooklyn has an employee stationed by the door selling masks for $1 to those who don’t have one.
California governor Gavin Newsom said that California’s outbreak started in a nail salon. Now the state isn’t answering any questions about this statement.
I’m curious and wish we could hear more details. If the state public health authorities don’t think the outbreak started in a nail salon, or if they think it might have started in a nail salon but that’s just one hypothesis, I feel like they would have issued a correction. But no such correction has been forthcoming.
So I guess the public health folks do think the outbreak started in a nail salon, but they don’t want to talk about it because the outbreak here started in January when there were no special restrictions, and they don’t want to shame one business or one business segment where workers (probably) were following all the rules as they existed then.
But I’d like to hear more about this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/11/nursing-homes-us-data-coronavirus
"Residents of nursing homes have accounted for a staggering proportion of Covid-19 deaths in the US, according to incomplete data gathered by healthcare researchers.
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Privately compiled data shows such deaths now account for more than half of all fatalities in 14 states, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Only 33 states report nursing home-related deaths."
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“It was not until 19 April that the head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services promised to track all deaths in nursing homes. That requirement went into effect this Friday, but there is still a two-week grace period for compliance. During the period from 19 April to 8 May, 13,000 people died, according to an NBC News analysis.”
Realistically, the US morbidity numbers are still way under counted. People need to be taking notice. The states that are not reporting nursing homes deaths need some local pressure to do that. Your guys that say your numbers a low, have you seen the non hospital deaths statistics? The UK was not reporting this data until there was pressure, even then it isn’t current data.
@JanieWalker , a couple of high school swim team kids or college students might jump at the chance to lifeguard for your HOA, with their job description including to monitor social distancing. If everyone pitched in, it might be very inexpensive. If there is a communal changing room or showers, they would have to be closed, with everyone coming and going in bathrobes. Unprecedented solutions for unprecented times…
The article may be behind a paywall. I don’t know. I subscribe. But it focuses on third world countries, not the US. It is just such a shame that food is being wasted here while in Brazil and other places people are starving. The article also highlights the unintended consequences of of the world wide shutdown. There are choices to be made recognizing that all choices are being made based on speculation and sometimes very faulty models. And no choice will spare everyone from bad outcomes.
Another possible treatment, heparin. “SARS-CoV-2 can possibly activate the RAAS axis via ACE2 shedding and promote thrombosis. Heparin may prove to be beneficial by inhibiting viral entry into cells and antagonizing RAAS activation in addition to exerting its anti-coagulation effects in the aftermath of severe inflammation and SIC.” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10067-020-05145-w While there are several trials of heparin for anticoagulation in COVID, I’m not sure whether any of them are looking at antiviral effects.
I think what you are missing is that the economy doesn’t consist entirely of retail and restaurants. I know lots of professionals- lawyers, dentists, doctors- who have taken significant hits to their income or have been laid off (legal services). Entertainment, accounting…you name it. Courts are closed, deals aren’t happening. The legal industry alone lost 64,000 jobs in April There is a ripple effect throughout the economy. It’s not just about getting your hair cut or your nails done.
Illinois governor Pritzker isolating due to staffer testing positive for covid-19. Governor tested negative yesterday. Should be an interesting presser today.
Went to our local grocery store today. It’s the only one mandating masks. I don’t have any proper masks so I used a tube scarf. It’s really hot and my glasses fog up but I comply. Spacing stickers on the floor and directional arrows. Check. 1 customer through check out at a time. Ok. Cashless payments only. Ok. No personal shopping bags, the store will provide plastic free of charge. Ok. Last time I went (a week ago) I chose to forgo the bags and just put my items back in my cart and then packed my groceries into my own bags at the car. Today I was informed rather brusquely by the cashier that the rules are that I have to have my groceries placed in plastic bags. I’m ready to throw up my hands. All the layers of rules are getting ridiculous. I imagine they want groceries bagged because it’s easier for them to ensure that everything is paid for (large loose items usually get stickers) but seriously. I really like this store but the never ending and changing rules is just making me even more stressed than I already am grocery shopping.
The LA Times is paywalled, unfortunately.
It sure is. But that being said, it’s not obvious how to fix the problem in the short term. Processing food for wholesale sale is not free, nor is processing food to give away.
Mother’s Day has a reputation for being one of the very worst restaurant days.
All systems stretched to the breaking point. High expectations, cranky kids, disappointment …brings out the worst in some people.
New York’s plan for phased reopening.
Quite comprehensive.
https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/NYForwardReopeningGuide.pdf
On the Nextdoor neighborhood page, someone posted that she’d picked up a pizza and she was furious that the cashier wasn’t wearing a mask. Started a war. Really, I think that if one is very concerned about others wearing masks then don’t go out. Don’t order pizzas from places you have to walk into to pick up, don’t go to the grocery store, don’t walk your dog off your property. You can only control YOU, not everything else.
I have friends who do not leave their homes. Or at least they think they don’t. They go for walks, they have things delivered, they go on nature walks and then complain that those places are crowded and others aren’t wearing masks. They also lecture everyone else about staying home. They know they aren’t supposed to leave their county or go more than 10 miles from their homes, but they do and justify it because they are in a car. These people are privileged that they have others doing their errands and/or have money to pay for instacart deliveries (which they then complain are missing items or are incorrect), Amazon deliveries, can afford multiple cable or streaming services to keep themselves entertained. Some do not have pets or children or even parents to worry about.
I have other friends who have had contact with their children and grandchildren throughout the SAH orders. I saw several posts yesterday of visits to mothers who are in their 90’s. I think it is fine that they are establishing their own circle of contacts that doesn’t just include people in their physical household. Many weren’t willing to cut physical contact with their parents who don’t have many years left.
Anyone who has been to a grocery store or home depot or walmart have had a lot more contact with covid than with a cashier without a mask (near a 500 degree pizza oven) or with a few neighbors passing while walking dogs.
I think a lot of people broke the rules yesterday and had their children (who don’t live with them) visit mom.
I’m hoping TWIV can get an expert hematologist on soon to discuss the clotting.
@Marilyn the red tide and stink went away about 3 days ago