I just always expected the public to do the right thing as they care about not just themselves but others in their community; no need for police to try and enforce it…
They intended to protect elderly care homes, but they failed, as the health minister subsequently acknowledged.
We’re now in VA at FIL’s cottage on a river. Traffic-wise, one would never know there was anything different on the highways from MD, around DC, and then down I95 until we got off onto 17.
Once we were on 17 there was merely one car behind me until it turned off. Then we were alone. One would think the zombies had already been through.
Businesses we saw along the way looked very light customer and worker-wise. I guess everyone is out on the highway. I’m not sure exactly where they are all going. I didn’t see people out and about to know anything about masking.
It’s nice seeing FIL and BIL again and they are appreciative of the resupply of food from what we bought 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately, we forgot to bring the eggs (from our chickens). That was just a pure brain lapse. Guess the kids back home will be enjoying extra eggs.
Then you and I are on the same page. I am sure you will agree that there was then no need for coercive policies. Simply offer the people the best recommendations and information available, and allow the collective wisdom of millions of individuals to achieve the proper balancing of costs versus benefits.
Classic Mom I feel you. DS19 had his 4 impacted wisdom teeth out a year ago in the summer and I was pretty stressed about it but all went fine and he had minimal pain, swelling, or bruising. DS21 had 6 (yes 6!) impacted wisdom teeth and had them out in March. We got in just under the wire before elective procedures got shut down. It was his spring break. His recovery was a bit more protracted as he had significant swelling and bruising but fortunately no real pain. I guess it’s an individual thing as I personally have a low pain tolerance. In any case neither kid used any significant pain relievers. If I’d known it would have saved me a lot of trouble because DS21 has difficulty swallowing pills so I had to locate a pharmacy that carried liquid morphine. He never ended up using it.
Risk levels of certain activities:
“The doctors pointed to five factors, when considering how risky a given activity might be: Whether it’s inside or outside; proximity to others; exposure time; likelihood of compliance; and personal risk level.”
Article from early May about situation in Sweden. Hospitals had not been overwhelmed yet but were very close to capacity and running out of PPE.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86256
‘Medical experts in the country have publicly criticized its response to the COVID-19 outbreak. Last week, a group of 22 clinicians, virologists, and researchers penned an op-ed in a Swedish business newspaper calling for the closure of schools and restaurants, and requiring PPE for those who work with the elderly. More than a month ago, 2,300 academics urged the government to tighten restrictions in order to protect the healthcare system.’
Aspirin is probably not a good idea anyway for this purpose, since it inhibits blood clotting.
Seems like you may have to load up the freezer with enough cold packs that he can use and rotate through the freezer.
There will never be 100% agreement on anything, anywhere, so finding someone who disagrees isn’t surprising (or even several someones). In our own country we can find folks on both sides.
I still found it telling that the Powers That Be in the country regret how they handled it and would do it differently if they had a do-over.
And… I’m not sure there was a “right” way to handle it because any method one chose is going to hurt some group of folks. It’s still an experiment in progress to see how every country ends up.
Not around here. DS is getting a scholarship and they will deliver it with masks on and present it to him via a socially distanced method. Not sure what that means, but it will happen outside and he will not be getting close to the presenters.
Just got plants put into my car that I paid for via cc over the phone ahead of time. People around here are doing the social distance thing. Don’t know where TatinG lives. I am sure it varies place to place.
Is it thought that some of them got the virus during the graduation or elsewhere?
Most of it makes sense, although bowling seems to be out of place (seems like its rating is too low given what they write about it), and many of the situations can have quite variable risk levels (e.g. for malls, are they indoor or outdoor malls, and how crowded are they?).
I think you are mixing up the issue. You can have restrictive policies during a pandemic which is a good thing in my opinion, and the general public can and does comply. No need to have the police officers be heavy-handed to enforce it because the community for the most part will abide by these rules because they see a greater common good.
My family appreciates the people in our community that have really lessened the spread of this disease because they as a group respect the SAH orders, limited group gatherings, have worn their masks, and have been wiping down surfaces etc. We don’t need law enforcement to make us do any of this, because we are already doing it. Again no expectations that that police need to be part of this process…
I’m sure people will disagree on some of them, but I think for the most part they hit nail on the head.
I don’t know when malls will be allowed to open. For now, in NYS in regions in Phase 2, only stores with an outside entrance can open.
… in a world where there are no externalities.
In a world where externalities exist, we can’t expect someone to fairly balance the benefits to themselves against the harm to others. That’s why we outlaw drunk driving.
The graduation is mid month. June 13, I believe. They were brought back a week or so ago from wherever they went when the academy was closed due to COVID (probably to families/parents like any other college student) They were called back specifically for this graduation ceremony, a command performance of sorts requested by the POTUS. All were tested for COVID19 when they returned to Wedt Point. So, yes, about 16 of them brought it bs k from wherever they were during their time away from the Academy. They were in disparate locations all over the US, though no info given on whether those who are COVID positive came from like locales.
But, yes, about 1000 cadets sent home a couple of months ago and now gathered back and tested , come up with about 16 of them with COVID.
When I went to pick up (curbside) plants yesterday, everyone walking outside at the nursery had masks on. People were getting out of the cars with their masks already on. No one I saw was wearing a mask improperly, either.
These West Point cadets are living together. So now we should expect the ones who were initially infected to (perhaps?) have infected others.
Will they test again soon, to discover whether there are any new infections? That would shed a lot of light on what we’ve been discussing in another thread: how likely is it that infected students in dorms would infect other students?
Snow is always whiter on the other side:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-norway-pm-regrets-not-taking-sweden-approach-075607536.html
Is this a psychiatric condition? Has he discussed the anesthetic? Or is he doing it under local only? He is an adult, right?