Coronavirus thread for June

Would be nice but I just don’t think that kind of precise info will be available. We certainly don’t have it with other viruses which have been around much, much longer.

In Ohio a case is a person reported to the health department. Occasionally a county count may go down because a case initially is reported to one county 's health department, but the person is a resident in another county so the case count shifts to county of residence.

It is a home autoclave. :slight_smile:

This is the June 16th Wall Street Journal article on how covid is transmitted:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-exactly-do-you-catch-covid-19-there-is-a-growing-consensus-11592317650

It seems to be outside their paywall. I can’t find any more current WSJ article, so I believe this is the one referenced upthread.

I agree, @TatinG!

Omg, @Nrdsb4 — almost passed coffee through my nose. I was so sure you had posted that link on the wrong thread!

TMC has taken off the ICU data info graphic from their page, you saw that? So you have no ICU data since the 24th, the last day the pie chart was active. And the TMC is just one group. As before, I am not sure what cohort it really serves. Houston is big. Where are you sourcing data showing that ICU is all good?

Also
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/average-daily-new-covid-19-hospitalizations-by-week-monday-sunday/

Lol, well that’s not out of the bounds of possibility.

For anyone who bypassed the link thinking it was in the wrong thread, it’s about disinfecting N95s using an instant pot.

Check out the “monitoring and mitigation metrics” website for TMC, updated on June 27. TMC is the largest medical facility in the world.

Do you mean this?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-exactly-do-you-catch-covid-19-there-is-a-growing-consensus-11592317650

Here is the link for anyone who is interested:

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/proposed-early-warning-monitoring-and-mitigation-metrics/

Which has removed the really most useful data points, maybe you can find that for me? The ICU pages? The % of hospital admits that are covids, and the % of covids that are ICU.
TMC is not serving all of Houston, all of Texas, all covid pts. I live down the road (<4 miles) and it isn’t even my closest ER.

Not sure if this has been posted before. Interesting with state by state updated numbers. Also provides Info on the states method of counting.

https://covidtracking.com/data

This thread has moved fast, but I am…interested…in the posts that say things like the protests were “allowed” by state and local government and because of that, the regular people thought it nonsensical that they can’t go to church or have a graduation, so the average citizen (I won’t say regular people because I know you all hashed that out!) anyway-the average citizen then stopped taking quarantining social distancing seriously. America has the right to peaceful protest. People who protested-and let’s remember that BEFORE the BLM protests there were also protests at state capitols over the shut down requirements and gun control. So for me-I see people protesting-for things I agree or disagree with-and think they must be really passionate to get out there on the streets when they know it’s infectious. I didn’t like seeing people with AR-15’s demonstrating in front of, or in, capitol buildings about the shut down but I know it is their right and I don’t expect the government to stop them or “crack down” on them - that would honestly scare me much more than the virus, if we lost our right to protest. Anyway-all that said-I think the variety of protest movements have to have contributed to infection rate, AND I think people relaxing and seeing grandma, grandpa, letting their kids go to parties, adults going out to neighborhood gatherings, my going out to dinner-I’m sure it’s all adding. You might want to split hairs about how much each action contributes, but who knows.

Thank you so much @“Cardinal Fang” and @ucbalumnus! That is it! So appreciate you posting the link and that it is outside their paywall. It just popped up on my news feed so I thought it was today.

It says “5% average growth in COVID-19 patients requiring intensive care.” This is 5% per day. In other words, doubling every two weeks. It’s not clear to me why this would mean a yellow for “moderate concern;” in my mind it would merit a bright red flashing light.

In another part of the same site, we see all COVID-19 infections in the area are 1.4 times as big as they were a week ago. This is exactly the same rate of growth as the ICU admissions, a two week doubling time. This is very alarming indeed, because it says that ICU growth is tracking infection growth, and as we know, infection growth is skyrocketing.

So what we’re seeing is that COVID-19 ICU admissions have been doubling every two weeks at the Texas Medical Center, and they’re going to continue doubling every two weeks. One scary part is that the people who will enter the ICU in the next two weeks are, mostly, already infected. Nothing we can do now will stop them from needing to go to the ICU.

Cases are increasing in my state although overall numbers are low (Oregon). Cases have risen in the area where there are nightly protests, but they are also rising in rural counties at about the same rate. I can’t find the link but the health folks reported that 35% of new cases don’t have a link to a known infection. The virus is just out there. Someone is in the 10% that pick it up off a surface (another figure I saw but can’t verify right now). The WSJ article above said 80% of infections come from 10% of the infectious. That’s still 20% picking it up from non-cluster events.

That 20% non-cluster events would include one household member passing the disease on to one other household member, though, not just random grocery store encounters and the like.

on the 24th, they had 5 beds ICU empty, the only way people get out of ICU quickly is by dying. No pt that get into ICU and recovers vacates that bed quickly.

In my small local office (23 total) we’ve had 3 workers going in off and on for a month. This last week I was notified by one of the owners that all three are now on quarantine and waiting for Covid test results because all 3 (separately) had been with friends and those friends have since tested positive. This is particularly interesting to me as all of them (the 3 in my office and their friends) are all 25-28 year olds. I have now been “banned” (my word, not theirs) from going to the office at all (I was going once a week) - I’m actually ok with that because I’m only a 3 day a weeker, and I have fully adapted to working from home. I’d be ok to wfh forever if that was a possibility. But, I don’t like that they may be getting sick. I really like the “kids” in the office.

And patients with COVID often spend weeks in the ICU, much more than with other illnesses.