I’ve had several dinners with friends. We eat outside, we try to keep distance. My daughter has also socialized with friends - getting together in city parks, having a picnic. It’s very nice and seems normalish, if you like eating al fresco, which is very popular where I live.
I don’t like the way the direction the numbers are going in many places right now at all. And I certainly don’t want them to go back up in NYS, so no way I’m going to change my behavior now at all. I need to see at least another month of extremely low numbers in my state to change what I’ve been doing since March 10th. But, sadly, I think by then, even if it’s still ok here, I think it’s going to be much worse where it’s starting to get bad now.
In “good” news at least the Governor of Utah is acting responsibly by pausing their re-opening where it is right now in most of the states - because of the numbers.
“Meantime, on coronavirus, Herbert seemed to hit pause on most of the state moving from yellow to green status, though Kane County in southern Utah is slated to make the switch Friday morning.”
“What we don’t want to do is get in the green and have to go back to yellow, or get into yellow and go back to orange,“ he said. “So we’re being very careful in how we increase the restrictions or lessen the restrictions.“
The governor again encouraged people to wear face masks, keep social distance, and practice good hygiene, and acknowledged concern over higher rates of coronavirus in Utah.”
“Salt Lake City will remain at orange, or moderate risk of the virus. The governor and state epidemiologist, Dr. Angela Dunn, did not take a position on Cache County — where nearly 300 tested positive at a meat plant — wanting to go green, saying they would have to see a formal request first.”
I expect more states will find it necessary to pause again and/or go back stricter rules.
Me too. I try to be good, but inevitably find myself heading the wrong way. The store has moved things around so it’s not easy to find stuff to begin with… adding one-way isles has made shopping very frustrating. And I doubt it’s terribly effective.
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My son is supposed to start at UMD this fall as a freshman. They are going to give guidance on their plan before June 15th. We are anxiously awaiting that word. Rumors are up to 80% online classes. Single dorm rooms only. No common congregation in dorm areas. Affects at cafeteria, grab and go?
Anyways it’s all rumor for a few more days. Disappointing as we may end up doing a semester or two at home if possible. That’s a lot of money for not much of a life at school. Sad if that’s the case.
Other schools (community colleges) are announcing online learning only. I haven’t been following many other schools but I will try to pay lore attention.
Broward County, Florida might also put their reopening on pause.
‘Coronavirus ‘not contained in any way, shape or form.’ Florida case count continues to soar’
“With each day this month comes another 1,000-plus cases of the new coronavirus in Florida. On Thursday alone, officials added 1,700 new cases to the tally, the most on any day since March.”
“The message that you’re hearing loud and clear is that the virus is still here,” said Dr. Alina Alonso, Palm Beach County’s health department director, urging social distancing and mask-wearing measures. “It has not gone away. It is still infecting many people. There is still community spread … it is not contained in any way, shape or form.”
“Is this a troubling spike, or a result of the state’s phased-in reopening? Or is there another, more reassuring, explanation such as more robust COVID-19 testing?
While health experts and leaders offer differing opinions and levels of caution about the increase in cases, one thing is clear: The disease continues to spread.”
“ The daily new cases of coronavirus in Florida have hit more than 1,000 for eight of the last nine days. The blue line shows the 7-day average. (Data source: Florida Department of Health)
The daily new cases of coronavirus in Florida have hit more than 1,000 for eight of the last nine days. The blue line shows the 7-day average. (Data source: Florida Department of Health)
There’s a significantly greater number of COVID-19 tests each day, compared
to the same period a month ago.”
“Dr. Jay Wolfson, who researches public health issues at the University of South Florida, said he wasn’t surprised to see the cases climb, given increased testing, more reliable testing, and more interaction in the community.
Still, other health analysts suspect some of the increase in cases can be attributed to the restarting of the state’s economy.“
“It is worrisome,” said Barry R. Bloom, public health professor and former dean of the Harvard T.H. Chan School. “Clearly a one-day spike doesn’t mean a whole lot, but a trend does. The worrisome thing about Florida is over the last 30 days, cases are not flattening. They are going up.”
“The numbers still don’t reflect the full effect of Memorial Day gatherings and protests, which will likely cause more infections, Bloom said.
“Broward County Mayor Dale Holness said he doesn’t want to put businesses back into lockdown, but he is contemplating a pause in the county’s reopening plans.”
That’s why you look at what fraction of tests come back positive. In April, in many places, the only people who could get tests were people who were showing symptoms, or people who were exposed to already diagnosed people. So you’d expect that a lot of those tests are going to come back positive; you already thought a lot of those people were infected.
But now we’re testing more people. We’re still testing the people who show up at hospitals or urgent care centers with symptoms. We’re still testing people we think were exposed to infected people. But now we’re testing more widely, testing people who maybe kinda think they’re sick, and grocery store workers and delivery people and people who just wonder. The fraction of positives should go down when testing goes up, because we’re testing people who should be less likely to be infected.
So, if we look at Arizona, they’re testing more people and a bigger fraction of those tested are coming back positive. That means there are a lot of infected people. It’s a bad sign.
It’s good that Arizona is finding these infected people, but it’s bad that they’re there to be found.
@Sherpa, fingers crossed for your wife and you.
What are your teens doing to pass the days? My S is spending an uncomfortable-to-me amount of time with his face in a screen. He bikes a few times a week, does some drawing, completes requested chores/projects around the house, has maybe one social distanced visit with a friend each week, and joins in if we watch a movie or play a game. But that still leaves a lot of hours of computer games and YouTube. It’s kind of driving me crazy.
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When I was sick, I slept impressive hours. Woke up and had some breakfast. Walked the dog. Took a morning nap. Had some lunch. Took an afternoon nap. Had some dinner. Was still able to go to bed at 7:30-8 and sleep until 7:30-8 in the morning. Wow!
I never had a fever. Was feeling well enough to start lifting weights again by Day 12.
H was more ill than I was. He had a fever, chills, and muscle aches that just make one feel icky. He also slept impressive hours. He was back at work by Day 14.
Wishing your household a speedy no-complications recovery!
Seems like there are still no studies indicating how common longer term effects, damage, or disability are after clearing the virus. There was one study involving Diamond Princess passengers which found (through CT scans) lung abnormalities in many infected passengers (including asymptomatic ones), but no indication about whether they resulted in functional disability or reduced capability.
One of the more fun meals I remember having in NYC was at Bar Boulud which is on Broadway across from Lincoln Center. I counted 100 people on the sidewalk in one minute. People watching is half the fun of outdoor eating. Think Paris or Rome. We are just too addicted to our air-conditioning.
Sounds like he needs help discovering some new hobbies. Cooking, learning a new language or computer coding (still on a computer but more productive), gardening, some kind of craft, developing killer abs, helping with a campaign or non-profit that speaks to him (can be done virtually, comes with non-altruistic benefits of beefing up the resume/college app) , the list could go on… Maybe help him brainstorm ideas.
@sherpa - wishing your wife a speedy recovery and keeping fingers crossed for you!
We have several small towns or streets in Denver closing to traffic and letting restaurants set up extended patios on the sidewalks and streets. Breckenridge, Dillon, and Louisville are doing this through the fall. I think this allows them to set up tents, lights, and plan how to run a restaurant al fresco. Liquor rules are looser and the patios will be part of the restaurants even if there is an opening that is outside the railings.
I think it gives the restaurants a little relief. They were limited to 50 people inside and now they are wild and free again. It will be a constant street fair (since most of those have been cancelled).
Good luck to Georgia! I surely wouldn’t feel comfortable with much of this, especially the self-serve salad bar/buffets. Were sneeze guards not already required pre-Covid?
Restaurants in Georgia can open to full capacity starting next week, governor says
From CNN’s Jamiel Lynch
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed a new executive order today, easing more restrictions across the state.
The order goes into effect on June 16 and lasts through June 30, according to a statement.
Here’s what can further reopen:
June 16
Professional sports teams and organizations must follow certain guidelines set by their leagues, but are allowed.
There is no longer a limit on the number of patrons allowed per square foot in restaurants.
Restaurant workers are only required to wear face coverings when they are interacting with patrons.
For salad bars and buffets, a worker can use cafeteria-style service to serve patrons or the establishment can provide hand sanitizer, install a sneeze guard, enforce social distancing, and regularly replace shared utensils to allow patron self-service, the statement said.
At indoor movie theaters and cinemas, there is no longer a limit on the number of people who can sit together.
July 1
Live performance venues can reopen with specific guidelines.
I kinda like the 50% capacity outside. Sitting on the patio of our favorite restaurant with some decent personal space around us. We lucked out with the weather today!
@taverngirl my eighteen year old is doing a language immersion for five hours a day (four hours of class and an hour of homework). It’s a credit class at a college but done for fun (it won’t transfer to her college at all). Before class we take a walk for a couple of miles and usually watch an episode of a show we enjoy together. After class she does her physical therapy and then gymnastics in the garage (such as it is). Then we cook dinner together. We all eat and either watch a movie, take a drive, or play a game- on weekends we make dessert and eat it.
My sixteen year old sleeps way in (she’s always needed more sleep than many, and we’ve been told it’s due to her autoimmune)- she usually gets up around lunch time. She does her chores and makes herself some food, then she reads for awhile before her dance classes (3 hours a day at home for now- going up to 7 hours in a week). After dance it’s shower, dinner, and whatever we are doing as a family. Into the late evening the older one is almost always hanging out virtually with friends and the younger is watching Netflix or YouTube.
To clarify in my city the issue isn’t diners at the same table being six feet distanced. The problem is that the backs of diners at different tables aren’t 6 feet distanced if the tables are just 6 feet apart.
Tomorrow we are going to Costco. It will be our first trip there since early March. I’ve heard from many friends that Costco is doing a great job. Hoping they have patio umbrellas in stock. We will also hit Home Depot. Life has gotten to the point I’m excited about a trip to Costco. Lol. We will pick up lunch from one of the local restaurants nearby and bring it home. If it looks safe we might even eat outside at one of the restaurants.
Outside dining in my coastal Ca town can last till at least the time changes in the fall. It will be harder for the restaurants to get people to dine outside once it starts getting dark at 5:30. Though a lot can be done with lighting and heaters. It pays to live in a temperate climate.
I got an email that my gym will reopen June 22nd. Classes will be by reservation only. It also looks like you will need to wear a mask when walking around the facility but not when exercising. I’m not sure when I’ll go back. I’ll likely check it out to see how busy they are. I go usually mid morning which is a time heavily visited by young men who work in bars and restaurants and senior citizens. I would think the older members will stay away for a bit longer. I’ll be interested to see how many of the trainers and instructors come back.
Good luck at Home Depot. I’m sure this varies by location, but ours is a circus. The parking lot is totally full. So is the outdoor garden supply area.
It’s on my list to stay away from.
The numbers are going up in those states that have opened up, and I don’t think it should be a surprise to anyone. The numbers and science do not lie. The only thing to debate about is whether your personal freedom trumps killing elderlies and some of more vulnerable population. Some posters no longer have parents/grandparents to consider, but they forget that they are now in the elderly parents category or part of vulnerable population, but they still believe they are invincible.
I am appreciative of the fact that my kids are refraining from doing certain activities so they could see me this weekend. D2 really wants to join us for lunch at D1’s apartment, but she is not because she recently moved, instead she is going to meet us outside to have a drink. To me, that’s love. It is their way of telling me that I matter to them. I am trying to stay healthy because I don’t want to be a burden to my kids if I should get sick, and that’s my love to them.
I really do shake my head when I read about whether to wear mask or not.