Coronavirus thread for June

If/when other states find their rates of infections increasing, they can learn lessons on what not to do and hopefully have better outcomes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426?mod=trending_now_pos1

How New York’s Coronavirus Response Made the Pandemic Worse

The virus has hit New York harder than any other state, cutting through its densely populated urban neighborhoods and devastating the economy. New York state’s death toll of 30,575 accounted for 7% of the world’s deaths and 27% of American deaths as of June 11, according to Johns Hopkins University data.
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New York leaders faced an unanticipated crisis as the new coronavirus overwhelmed the nation’s largest city. Their response was marred by missed warning signs and policies that many health-care workers say put residents at greater risk and led to unnecessary deaths.
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Among the missteps the WSJ identified:

• Improper patient transfers. Some patients were too sick to have been transferred between hospitals. Squabbling between the Cuomo and de Blasio administrations contributed to an uncoordinated effort.

• Insufficient isolation protocols. Hospitals often mixed infected patients with the uninfected early on, and the virus spread to non-Covid-19 units.

• Inadequate staff planning. Hospitals added hundreds of intensive-care beds but not always enough trained staff, leading to improper treatments and overlooked patients dying alone.

• Mixed messages. State, city government and hospital officials kept shifting guidelines about when exposed and ill front-line workers should return to work.

• Overreliance on government sources for key equipment. Hospitals turned to the state and federal government for hundreds of ventilators, but many were faulty or inadequate.

• Procurement-planning gaps. While leaders focused attention on procuring ventilators, hospitals didn’t always provide for adequate supplies of critical resources including oxygen, vital-signs monitors and dialysis machines.

• Incomplete staff-protection policies. Many hospitals provided staff with insufficient protective equipment and testing.
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Avery Cohen, a City Hall spokeswoman, blamed the state for denying a request from the city to establish a centralized hub, called a Healthcare Evacuation Call Center, that would have helped better coordinate transfers between hospitals, whether they were private or public. “We were grasping for every tool at our disposal to save as many lives as possible.” Ms. Cohen said. “The state was not interested.”

Dani Lever, a spokeswoman for the governor, said that system wasn’t designed for individual patient transfers. She said a state transfer system was created in late March after hundreds of open beds near harder-hit New York City hospitals had gone unnoticed.
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The impact was made worse because the city went into the pandemic less prepared than it could have been. The city hospital system has long been considered underfunded. Private hospitals in the outer boroughs, particularly Queens, had closed over the years. New York hospitals had long ignored alarms raised by the nurses’ union and respiratory therapists about insufficient staffing levels, according to nurses and respiratory therapists at several city hospitals.

A contributing factor was New York leaders’ delayed reaction. Early signs of the virus’s arrival—including a rise in patients with flulike symptoms visiting hospitals—went largely uninvestigated by hospital, state and city officials. The city health department was limiting testing primarily to travelers from China, following the federal government’s lead. Throughout February in calls with hospitals, the city health department played down the possibility that the virus could spread through the air or by asymptomatic people.
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While leaders in states like California and Ohio acted quickly to contain the spread, Messrs. Cuomo and de Blasio delayed taking measures to close the state and city even as the number of cases swelled, despite warnings from doctors, nurses and schoolteachers. California issued a statewide lockdown with 1,005 cases as of March 19, while New York remained open with 5,704 cases, according to updated Johns Hopkins data.

Even after New York announced its first coronavirus case on March 1, the city health department was advising New Yorkers they were more likely to get the flu. “I speak for the mayor also on this one—we think we have the best health-care system on the planet,” Mr. Cuomo said at a March 2 news conference.
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Among the missteps that would make matters worse after mid-March, health-care workers said, was that government officials and hospital administrators failed to create adequate plans to provide the needed staff as they expanded beds into operating theaters, old auditoriums and lobbies.

“Creating beds isn’t the most difficult thing,” said Northwell CEO Michael Dowling. “The issues that get complicated with the creation of beds is the staffing. This isn’t like you can put any staff on any bed at any place.”

The crisis would eventually peak at nearly 19,000 hospitalizations, but even that number overloaded the system.

As Covid-19 patients flooded into NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia, the private hospital created new pop-up ICUs. The inadequacy of staffing levels quickly became clear in one operating-room-turned-ICU, according to medical staff there and emails residents sent attending physicians. Garbage in the makeshift 80-bed unit overflowed with contaminated needles, masks and gowns. Urine and blood stains were at times found on the ground and equipment, according to the workers and emails.

“The scope of patient needs compared with the training and resources available presented an absolute crisis,” said Julia Symborski, a nurse who worked in the new ICU. “You can magically make an ICU appear, but you can’t make staff appear immediately.”
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In the new operating-room ICU at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia, one respiratory therapist at times cared for over 80 patients a shift, according to workers and emails; seeing about 10 a shift is typical in normal times, respiratory therapists said. Overworked staffers there weren’t able to suction mucus out of patients’ lungs often enough, resulting in patient complications, according to the workers and emails. Intubated patients’ lips were bleeding and many developed sores on their backs, called pressure ulcers, from not being turned enough.
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Joji Thadathil, a Health + Hospitals Elmhurst respiratory therapist, estimated that more staffing and better equipment could have saved 30% to 40% of Covid-19 patients who died there. Rio Flores, a respiratory therapist, said he documented 50 patients who died in part due to improper ventilator settings by untrained staff and state-provided ventilators with limited functionality at the NewYork-Presbyterian system’s Lower Manhattan hospital.
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The article goes on to detail lack of supplies - not ventilators (although the ventilators that were delivered weren’t reliable), more the other supplies, including oxygen.

Also discussed at length were how “squabble” between the city and state government prevented patient transfers so some hospital beds were open while other hospitals were overrun. Then when patients were transferred, their medical records weren’t transferred, impacting their treatment and care.

Another issue was housing infected patients with suspected infections and others, which seeded and spread infection. It didn’t help that New York City, state government and hospital officials, often relying on CDC guidance, kept shifting guidelines about when sick and exposed front-line workers should return to work—and didn’t plan for thorough staff testing. Initially, the government and hospital officials recommended health-care workers with high-risk exposures quarantine for 14 days.

Then the city on March 17 changed its guidance, recommending hospitals tell such workers they could keep working so long as they didn’t show symptoms. Montefiore Medical Center passed that guidance along to workers in a March 18 memo. Some health-care workers there said they took that as an instruction to stay on the job.

The city’s guidance on testing further confused matters: “DO NOT TEST asymptomatic and/or exposed” workers, read a March 20 city memo to hospitals, citing supply shortages.
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The final point of the article discusses the lack of PPE.

Scott Amrhein, a trade-association executive who helped procure PPE for nursing-home workers, became so distraught about the shortage of protective gear, among other issues nursing homes faced, that he died by suicide March 30, his son said. His father, he said, felt government officials had ignored him and the situation was getting worse for nursing homes, which were also now taking in Covid patients from overloaded hospitals.

Mr. Amrhein was fielding hundreds of calls daily in late March from nursing homes and hadn’t slept in weeks, said his son, Justin Amrhein. In emails to his friends and colleagues, the father said he didn’t know how to slow the building disaster.

Hopefully, states and cities learn from NY’s huge failures. I think a lot of these states that are venturing forward with reopening are also keeping a close eye on their hospital capacities, and if things start getting too close to. Control, they will take measures. We know a lot more about this now. NYC was hit hard and fast.

Also, a state should not swing with this as a whole. There are parts of most states inconsistent with others in COVID19 load. Even as I am grateful for the protective measures taken by my area, (likely unnecessary , maybe it was the preventative, I don’t know for sure) , I am sorry about the economic pain that is the price that the area is paying, when it’s already a poor area by most measures.

Sadly it looks like much of went wrong in NY will play out in other states too.

At least now NY is doing more testing and rates are consistently well under 2%.

I am feeling grouchy because I had a second meeting with a client about a deck. I said last week that I would meet outside and we would wear masks. At the first meeting that is pretty much what happened though at one point the husband (“I’m a cop, I know all about PPE”) just pulled up his t-shirt. For the second meeting I decided to wear my N-95 mask which I normally only wear to the grocery store. This time neither husband or wife wore a mask at all and they also kept getting well within six feet. Maybe they thought my mask made that okay? Thankfully, all I’m doing now is delivering drawings, but this is not what I signed up for.

I had an appointment this morning with a salesperson for a home-improvement company, to get an estimate for new gutters for my house. He told me ahead of time that the entire appointment would be conducted outside. When he arrived, we agreed that we were comfortable going maskless. We stayed at least 8-10 feet apart while outside.

He told me has four children, ages 14, 13, and 9 or 8 (twins). He said that it has been a challenge to preserve their mental health during the pandemic. He referred to serving ice cream more often. I liked that comment.

@ClassicMom98 - for your wipes container at the office, better attach one of those chains they put on pens at the bank. :wink:

@Marilyn, I remember that “kids are brain damaged” routine (though, being a kid, I thought it was offensive :wink: ) - but I thought it was Bill Cosby?

Please tell me you are not actually mulling over this? The interstate 14 day quarantine suggestion is beyond ridiculous at this point. Please go see them!

Of course that was the guidance. There was NO TESTING. The entire spread in New York City was because of a lack of testing and lack of PPE. Testing was done only on people coming from China (so very few people). It spread silently, like wildfire because of density and cold weather, and when it blew up, hospitals didn’t have the necessary PPE and supplies to deal with it all at once.

I love how the final point was the lack of PPE and the first point was the hospital transfer thing.

If they had been able to test early on, they could have controlled the outbreaks as they popped up. But they didn’t. Think about it, if those first sick people in NYC had been tested in the hospital, the alarm would have been raised. We were quaintly tracking the “Asian student in Boston”, “Elderly lady from Wuhan in Seattle”, in late January. While millions of people were coming in infected from Europe into NYC in late February and March. For shame - the CDC and the federal government failed us when we needed them. China hoarded all the PPE that was being shipped to the US in December/January and we were too stupid to notice (and too stupid to produce our own). Don’t even get me started on this.

Michigan has been slowly reopening. We’ve been moving around a little more especially now that the weather’s nice.

I had to buy a car so I’ve been to two dealerships in the last week. One was entirely outside with masks (which was perfect). The other did most things inside but everyone was spread very far apart and everyone had masks. The first place went on a test drive with me. The 2nd place has people doing their test drives without others in the car.

We’re still not going in most places and we’ve decided not to support any businesses that aren’t enforcing mask rules. I have no interest in supporting businesses who don’t care about the health of their employees.

In my home town, a very white middle/upper class community, NO ONE is wearing masks. One pizza place we go to for carry out told us “no mask, no entry” which I appreciated. Everywhere else and we get weird looks for having a mask on.

Meanwhile, the towns that are lower/middle class and have large poc populations are 80%+ concealing faces. The only people I’ve seen without masks are white people. It’s not surprising but it is sad.

My in-laws (parents and one B&SIL) are going to a graduation open house in another state this weekend. It’s their nephew’s girlfriend’s high school graduation party - not even a family member! They’re on a hard two week quarantine from us after they get back because we’re not risking that.

We have been seeing family more because we’ve been only hanging out with each other. We visited the in-laws for the first time last weekend, thinking they had been on quarantine for 14 days, only to find out that they went to the casino a week before. My partner was furious. Like come on… it’s your grandchild. At least be honest with us. (They still think the virus is nbd.)

Eh, no, I don’t believe it breaks cleanly down political lines.

Our guys working in the kitchen are likely choosing comfort over discomfort re: masks. It’s uncomfortably hot on the line without a mask, y’know?

Perhaps they also feel less afraid because they know people who have gotten infected and have recovered without complications? Something cultural? Male? Peer pressure? IDK.

Both H & I feel MUCH less afraid since getting sick ourselves, and also seeing others in that chain of transmission recovered at home without complications. We are fine wearing masks in public places.

The owners are definitely angry about the government closure of their businesses and are not interested in playing by the rules. Government over-reach, public panic, mad at the IL governor, etc.

The shooting range was indoors. No, my brother does not seem afraid of getting the virus and dying. He is 7? years post-transplant. 50% of recipients are dead at the 5 year mark, so he already feels like he is way ahead of the game.

It was awful for him when he could barely do any living because he could not walk 10 feet across a room without needing to rest. Maybe the idea of living a constricted life again is unthinkable to him. He is driving 7 hours to visit his GF in another state as I type.

Nothing is going to stop him from living each day fully, as he pleases, on his terms.

I don’t argue with him, even if I’d like to see him be more cautious.

You’re much more flexible than I’d be/was.

We bought a car about 3 weeks ago. Never stepped foot on dealership property. Negotiated by phone and email. They brought the car and paperwork to our home. We drove it before buying it. Alone. Salesperson wore a mask. All this conducted in our driveway. They forgot the cargo mat that we negotiated in. They delivered that to us a few days later from their dealership 29 miles away. This is all part of the “valet” service dealers are offering around these parts.

We don’t let salespeople ride with us on a test drive, even before Covid. If you want my business, take a copy of my license and give me the keys, thank you.

Just talked with my B (baby boomer) in CT. He is the designated shopper in his house with SIL and grand kids and D. He states he wears a N95 (?) at the grocery store and gets out in the public once a day for chores.

What bothered me is when I said we get groceries delivered is, that he asked if I was ‘afraid’? I’m not sure what that means- it implies to me weakness, anxiety, unrealistic fear, etc. I said I did ‘not know how to answer that other than to say I am taking precautions because I don’t want to contract Covid’.

How would you answer that question?

“Just being smart and cautious.”

Brothers… :smirk:

Some partisanship is definitely there, people don’t want to wear masks because it is a physical reminder that the Stay At Home orders were necessary and Covid is not a hoax or just a ‘regular flu’, but I agree with you, there are alot of other reasons people may not wear them in specific situations.

I, personally was not on board with the cloth masks a few weeks ago (but still wore them in public indoor spaces) because of the stated efficacy of those masks. Luckily, there are plenty of surgical masks to be found, so I have procured those and wear them indoors in public places. I wear them out of respect for others safety, not for myself. I know the science says that surgical mask reduce the R value - reduce spread, so I am happy to do my part. I don’t wear them outdoors because the risk of spread is low. That said, its very difficult to wear these indoors ALL DAY, especially in hot kitchen or other tough jobs. I don’t judge people for taking their own personal and mental health into account in these scenarios. Hopefully we are all trying to do our best for society, as best we can.

Interesting series in today’s Miami Herald. I have been suspicious of the pronouncements from Florida’s Governor regarding CV19 for awhile. I pay particular attention to Florida because my 91 year old mom lives there.

There are 4 articles in the series. Click on “Expand All” to get links to the 3 other articles.

‘A NUMBERS GAMEl’
“The Florida COVID-19 data said one thing while Gov. DeSantis sometimes said another”

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article242937591.html#storylink=cpy

I’d ask him what he means by his question (for the very reason you posed).

I think you already answered it. “I am taking precautions because I don’t want to contract Covid”.

I get why he asks, why he might think that. DD has a friend who hasn’t been out of her house since March. Not once. Not in her own yard. Her mom is a friend I speak with every week or two, that’s how I know. It is possible the kid is going need therapy to simply get her out the door again. To be fair, their family is entirely high risk, and we are not. But seeing how quickly a teen’s mental health can flatline scared me more than covid. I’ve had DD out and about, doing our best to be safe (with the possible exception of the DMV experience). It is very healthy for her to see firsthand that life is adapting and moving forward.

(Humor warning - though everything in this post is also true)

Our county moved into the Green Phase today. This means restaurants can have indoor dining though social distancing and masks are required (except to eat, of course).

So… I put out a Terro* box on our counter. It’s currently packed with shoulder to shoulder standing room only. Not a mask in sight. No way they are 6 feet away from each other - not even using their feet. I guess they don’t care if they all die. :wink:

*Terro is awesome ant bait, very much recommended (by me) if you have ants thinking your house is theirs. Nothing else even comes close. You just need to overlook oodles of them packing the bait for a day or two until it works.

Regarding personal risk assessment:

It’s hard for me to accurately assess my risk. I have high blood pressure, well controlled on a medicine that has been in the news quite a bit. In the early days, it was postulated that his medicine put me at very high risk for having severe complications and death from COVID. Then they pivoted, and now they are thinking that perhaps this drug would have very protective benefits with regard to decreasing severity of infection. Drug trials are in progress, but I’ve heard nothing about any conclusions they are reaching. Probably too early to say.

AM I protected, or am I one step away from terrible outcomes? Hard to know how to behave until those questions are answered. I err on the side of caution (DH thinks extreme caution), but in reality, I’m very much in the middle or even less cautious than average.

I think my whole immediate family will survive. I’m just not sure about long term effects like my oldest is dealing with. Personally, I care more about that than I do about dying (for me - wouldn’t want to see any family members die).

That said, med school lad has a week off right after we’re planning to return from FIL’s. He asked earlier today if we’d be ok with him coming home and bringing his GF so we can meet her in person. For the two weeks prior to that he’s not doing patient contact classes, so it should be as safe as it can be. We told him, “sure as long as both of you aren’t showing symptoms at the time.”

I’m hoping it all works out - isolating 100% to be as safe as possible for FIL (99.9% sure he would die if he caught it) and then enjoying almost a week with med school lad and his GF.