Could Sports help you get in?

<p>My neise is a very good sprinter, and her grades are great. She is a Junior now</p>

<p>As a Soph. was went to state in 100m 200m 4x100 and 4x400
FAT times
100m 12.09
200m 25.1
400m 58.1
Looked at the Rooster, she would be one of the fastest girls on the team</p>

<p>she would've be competitive at Ivy League championships, looked it up, her times placed her 6th in the 100m and 10th in the 400m</p>

<p>her gpa 4.29. 15th out of 312 in her class
just took the SAT sat.</p>

<p>Meant 200m… not 400m</p>

<p>She sounds like a possible recruit to me, but I’m not the coach. :slight_smile: Her SATs will be a key part of the package. Did she take the PSAT or the actual SAT?</p>

<p>You might want to check out the athletic recruiting forum here on CC if you haven’t already.</p>

<p>There is a gentleman’s agreement among the Ivy League schools regarding athletic recruitment. There is a formula called the Academic Index which combines test scores and GPA. The schools have never formally revealed this formula, but there are numerous links that produce an estimate. Here’s one: </p>

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<p>The bare minimum Academic Index is 176, which is roughly a 3.0 GPA and SAT’s of 1140 (CR +M). However, very few, if any are admitted at that low a level. Your niece would have to be another Lynn Jennings (who set world track records and was running at national levels in high school) to get in with a 176.</p>

<p>The athletic recruits for the school as a whole need to have an Academic Index within one standard deviation of the class as a whole, except for football, which has to be within two standard deviations. I read somewhere that Princeton’s Academic Index (AI) overall for athletes is 214, and the AI overall for Princeton is 228, to give you a general idea of the distance between athletes and non-athletes.</p>

<p>An athlete with an AI of 211 would have a 650 CR, 750 Math and a GPA of 3.75.</p>

<p>Each sport has a maximum number of admission slots. Football has the most, with 30. Other sports have far fewer, and the schools don’t have to use all of them unless they want to. I’m not sure how many women’s track slots there are, but you may be able to find that on the internet. </p>

<p>The schools aren’t required to have the AI’s for each team be within one standard deviation of the class in general – they merely need to have all athletes (excepting football) be within one standard deviation. If a school wants to have all of its lower AI admits in one sport and make it up by having other sports have higher average AI’s, they can. It has been rumored that Harvard has brought up their basketball program recently by bringing on basketball players with AI’s towards the bottom of the scale. If this rumor is true, that means that the other 220 or so athletes at Harvard have to have slightly higher AI’s on the whole to make up for a few basketball players with low AI’s.</p>

<p>Yale’s basketball coach was quoted as saying that his basketball team has an average AI over 200. He also said he would get no recruits in the 170’s and few, if any, in the 180’s.</p>

<p>Sports that are low profile or are less important to a given school usually have higher average AI’s than the other sports. Some marginal athletes with high AI’s are recruited just to bring up a team’s average AI, even if they have little chance of seeing playing time. </p>

<p>This is a simplification – this gets far more complicated. </p>

<p>This article from the New York Times gives a pretty good idea how things work: <a href=“[/url]”></a></p>

<p>To answer your question, sports can have a huge influence on getting in, but only if the coach wants your niece enough to give her an admissions slot (otherwise, sports is simply another activity, even if the kid is All-State). Coaches make the decisions about who gets the slots – admissions doesn’t rank the athletic side of an athlete’s application. Those slots are coveted, and she’ll have to do what she can to get the coach’s attention. If she is able to get one of those slots, she will also be getting recruited by countless other schools.</p>

<p>She should start by talking to her coach about the recruiting process in general (hopefully the coach knows how the game works). If she’s in 10th grade, she should be concentrating on what she can do to get herself noticed by coaches in general. Bear in mind that there are countless rules about coaches contacting high school kids, which the Ivy League must follow as well as the coaches at Arizona State, even though the Ivy League has no scholarships.</p>

<p>this REALLY helps thank you… for your post…</p>


<p>And one more tidbit/clarification: an applicant with an Academic Index (AI) that is average for the admitted pool will normally not be accepted unless he or she has an extracurricular record that is also stellar.</p>

<p>Using the Princeton example (only because I don’t know the average AI for a Dartmouth student, which is probably similar to Princeton’s), an applicant with a 228 AI and an unexceptional extracurricular record will likely not be accepted. Accepted students have to have remarkable academics and remarkable non-academic records. </p>

<p>A recruited athlete who has been given an admissions slot by a coach with an AI of 214 will be highly likely to get in, even if that is that student’s only extracurricular activity.</p>

<p>It has been said that the easiest way to get into an Ivy League school is as a recruited athlete.</p>

<p>what’s what we are HOPING… lol</p>

<p>Also have a question.
Is it true; that the take away weighted class in high school. So (AI) is on 4.00</p>

<p>Example. lets say you get B in an AP class…
For (AI) it’s a 3.00 not a 4.00
No weight?</p>

<p>Is that true?</p>

<p>I’m sending you a private message, broken into several parts, because the limit for them is 1000 characters each.</p>

<p>TeachTrack: I think that whether the GPA is recalculated depends on the college. At Yale, for example, in the info session they specifically stated that they use whatever GPA your HS uses, and do not recalculate.</p>

<p>Of course, the rules may differ for Ivy athletic recruiting. EarthPig has given an excellent summary of that. I will simply add that the D track recruits I have known/met have all been apparently excellent students, but not all have had the stats that would have gotten them in as regular candidates. (At least one certainly did.) I would say that, as EarthPig suggests, from what I know, the stats required to get in depend on the quality of the athlete. A nationally-ranked runner is going to need lower stats than a top runner at the state/regional level.</p>

<p>As regards your niece, what about the issue of female runners undergoing physical changes that slow them down? Has she gotten beyond that point? If not, it may be unwise to count on her maintaining the kinds of times she has now.</p>