countertop dishwashers?

<p>So, J. and I visited the new apartment and neighborhood yesterday; he loved it all and seems extremely excited about it. He compared it to San Francisco, with all the hills and crooked little streets and spectacular views of the water. I wish we were allowed to post photos – he took some really spectacular ones from the roof. (Which is only two flights up from me, since I’m on the 11th floor and the only floor above it is the penthouse; it’s open to residents all the time, and they put out Adirondack chairs in the summer. I’m sure I’ll be spending lots of time up there. There’s a sign saying that if you’re 19 or under you can’t be up there alone after midnight – one wonders what they think teenagers might be doing there late at night! – but J. pointed out to me that he’ll be 20 in three weeks, and doesn’t have to worry!)</p>

<p>I still can’t believe I’m actually going to be living there! </p>

<p>The apartment itself somehow looked smaller without any furniture in it, but it still isn’t that much smaller than my present one, and my feeling that this is the place for me hasn’t changed. I took measurements, so I’ll be able to figure out ahead of time what furniture fits and what doesn’t, and just how many books I’ll need to get rid of!</p>

<p>The big surprise was noticing that there’s no dishwasher in the kitchen. I guess when I was there the other time, it didn’t even occur to me that there might not be one, and I didn’t look carefully. Nobody ever accused me of being the most observant person in the world – when we got home last night, I had to ask J. if there were venetian blinds on the windows, because even though I told myself ahead of time to look for that, I completely forgot. He says yes, and I trust his memory, which is amazing. I did manage to notice that there are screens on all the windows, so I don’t have to worry that I can’t ever open them more than two inches because Ziggy might jump out!</p>

<p>Anyway, I am not someone who enjoys washing dishes by hand. I think the last time I lived in an apartment or house without a built-in dishwasher (not counting the last two years of law school, when I lived off campus), was back in about 1963, when my mother first bought one. (I have no idea when they were invented - maybe in the '40’s?)</p>

<p>The kitchen is quite small, even though it is an actual separate room with a window, which is something I appreciate. There isn’t room, I think, for even a portable standing dishwasher, the kind that has wheels. But I discovered, searching online last night, that there’s such a thing a countertop dishwasher, somewhat larger than a microwave, that you hook up with a hose to the sink faucet every time you use it. Obviously, they don’t hold that much, and I’d have to use it on pretty much a daily basis, but they do save water (and my time!) as compared to washing by hand. And since I’ll be living alone most of the time, except when J. is home on vacation, there’s really no reason I should need a full-sized dishwasher even if I could fit one in the kitchen.</p>

<p>I’m not going to order anything until I have a chance to make sure there’s enough space on the countertops to fit one along with the microwave and toaster oven, as well as enough vertical space beneath the cabinets (these dishwashers are apparently 17 or 18 inches high), but I have looked around and there seem to be only 4 different brands: Koldfront, Edgestar, Danby, and Haier. Generally speaking, Koldfront seems to get the best reviews, although they all apparently have their pros and cons. They all cost around $200-$250 or so. </p>

<p>So, has anyone ever had one of these things?</p>

<p>Wash the few dishes you use daily by hand. Save your money. Counter top dishwashers look cheap and are ugly. Sorry.</p>

<p>Thanks, but I couldn’t care less whether they’re ugly or attractive, or cheap-looking or expensive-looking. The appearance of my kitchen has never been of the slightest concern to me, so long as it’s clean and everything works. So all I care about is whether these things work, and will allow me to avoid a task I don’t enjoy!</p>

<p>Maybe it’s because of my rather unusual socialization for a woman, and what I was brought up to find (or not find) important. But whatever the reason, it’s how I feel.</p>

<p>Make sure the electrical outlet you plan to plug it into can handle the additional power especially if the outlet is shared with another major appliance.</p>

<p>I only cook for 2 people, so rarely use dishwasher. Wish I could send it to you. It takes more time to fill it and unload than to just let dishes air dry.</p>

<p>Perhaps live in your new wonderful place for a few months, and see if there is a way to find a floor model. By then, you will probably meet neighbors and borrow ideas from them. I’ll look for counter top, but suspect they will be small, won’t handle pots/pans, and cost a lot.</p>

<p>DonnaL - Here is a link for comparison of countertop dishwashers. Would your apartment building let you install an under the counter washer? I think Sears has an 18" model and I have also seen dishwasher drawers. Make sure you know the height of the countertop to upper cabinet. I wonder if this is something you could keep under your sink? Let us know how it works.</p>

<p>[Countertop</a> Dishwashers - Find out which brands to buy](<a href=“http://www.dishwashers-select.com/countertop-dishwashers.htm]Countertop”>Countertop Dishwashers - Find out which brands to buy)</p>

<p>I so wish I had a dishwasher, countertop or otherwise.</p>

<p>The add on the side is for counter top dishwashers. I am impressed</p>

<p>Fascinating how that works! And it lists all the ones I was thinking about, too.</p>

<p>My ads too.
I agree on the idea of looking at the smaller dish-washing drawers. [Fisher</a> Paykel DD24S Semi-Integrated Single DishDrawer with 9 Wash Programs, Intelligent Load Sensing, Adjustable Racks, Folding Tines and ADA Compliant](<a href=“http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/DD24S.html]Fisher”>http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/DD24S.html)
or something like that. </p>

<p>Drawbacks, huge upfront cost to install. Advantages, it doesn’t hog your countertop for the next 20 years. Don’t know if you have enough cupboard space to do that, or if you have lots of counter space to always have one “unit” of it taken up by a dishwasher.</p>

<p>I like the idea of a dishwasher drawer. Countertop always seems to be at a premium in apartments and condos.</p>

<p>That’s an interesting alternative I’d never heard of. But I’m not sure I’d want to spend a lot of money buying and installing something like that (even if the woman who owns the apartment permitted it) when the sublease has only enough renewal options to allow me to be there a total of five years. If I knew that I were going to be buying the apartment someday – which I guess is a possibility, but who knows if it’ll happen – it would be a different story.</p>

<p>I will definitely take measurements when I go back on Friday, to see how much counter space there is. I wouldn’t want to leave myself with none whatsoever.</p>

<p>I don’t know how much cupboard space there is below, either. My general impression was that the kitchen looks like it hasn’t been renovated since the 1950’s or 1960’s, except presumably to replace the refrigerator.</p>

<p>At least the bathroom looks reasonably modern, although it still has a built-in metal cabinet with shelves in the corner that probably dates from the building’s construction in the late '30’s! It’s shaped sort of like a miniature pot-bellied stove, and I had no idea what it was until I opened its door.</p>

<p>The apartment has way more than enough advantages to make me willing to overlook these little quirks.</p>

<p>And it’s in way better shape than my current apartment, where the wooden floor tiles almost always popped up during the summer from the moisture, and there were leaks in the walls from the cooling system, and the air conditioning was out for extended periods in several summers, and there’s no freight elevator, and the regular elevators are always breaking down, and the kitchen cabinets definitely date from the 1960’s – the wood is warped and most of the doors don’t even close! And all this in a building that likes to call itself a “luxury” doorman building and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars renovating the lobby a few years ago!</p>

<p>wow, I haven’t had a built in dishwasher since I lived with my parents when I was 17, but my roll away one that you hook up to the faucet and my kitchen that is big enough for a table and chairs sounds better all the time!
:slight_smile:
Thanks Donna.</p>

<p>You don’t have to keep the countertop dishwasher…just get rid of it when they move into a place with a dishwasher. Or put it in storage.</p>

<p>You have probably checked this out but there are portables that are only 18 or 19 inches wide.</p>

<p>Yes, that’s a possibility too – I’ll have to see if there’s room for one.</p>

<p>Drawer Dishwashers are quite expensive.</p>

<p>One of my friends has a regular dishwasher in a wooden “box” with casters; the dishwasher is plumbed into the kitchen sink with flexible hoses, and the top of the box is butcher block which serves as additional counter space, but that might not be feasible for you, Donna, if your kitchen is tiny. Unfortunately, skinny dishwashers are expensive as well (at least the Miele slimline ones are more expensive than thier regular dishwashers).</p>

<p>I used Epinions when I researched my appliances. Here is an example of a countertop dishwasher review:</p>

<p>[Danby</a> B001615WSM Countertop Dishwasher Product Reviews and Price Comparison - Epinions.com](<a href=“Shopping Online at Shopping.com | Price Comparison Site”>Shopping Online at Shopping.com | Price Comparison Site)</p>

<p>The impression I get is that the countertop dishwashers (like the one I see right now in the ad to my left!) are about $200-$250. The 18" portable dishwashers on wheels are about $360-$400 and more. The least expensive one is a Danby:</p>

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<p>I guess the advantage of this over a countertop dishwasher is that it obviously holds a lot more, and that it adds rather than subtracts from total counter space. My kitchen is only about 2 feet wide, but in theory I ought to be able to keep an 18" portable dishwasher at one end of the room, by the window. </p>

<p>Of course, if I do order one of any kind, I have no doubt that I won’t be able to figure out how to attach the hose to the sink faucet, because none of the adaptors will fit. And I’ll be tempted to toss the whole thing out the window and into the Hudson River.</p>