Course Rigor

<p>Ok so I just got back from registration and even though my counselor recommended that I sign up for a bunch of math/science classes, after doing so and looking at my schedule I am having some serious doubts. What do you guys think–is this manageable? </p>

<p>Chem 102 & 103–3 & 1hr respectively
Math 231 (Calc II)–3hrs
Physics 211–4hrs
ME 170 CAD–3hrs
Engineering 101–1hr
and then I’m also signed up for the merit workshops in chem and math</p>

<p>Ultimately, it’s really only 13 hours of “classes” but my parents tell me that labs take up a ton of time and I’m worried that having 2 science classes is going to make my life a living hell.
So…how hard are the classes I signed up for and should I consider dropping something/taking an easier course?</p>

<p>Honestly, that’s a relatively easy schedule.</p>

<p>-CHEM 102/103: If you’ve taken high school chem of any kind, you will be fine. I took general chemistry my sophomore year of high school (not AP), and we didn’t cover anything that I didn’t already know until the last couple weeks of the course. Easy A for the lecture session. As for the lab, it looks like a lot on the schedule, but you only meet for three (?) hours every other week. For prep, you have to do a pre-lab “report” in your lab notebook, which normally consists of answering a bunch of questions and preparing tables for the lab. This only takes about two hours to do. The lab report itself has to be turned in at the end of the lab, so there is no outside work to be done on the lab other than the two-hour biweekly prep. Again, this should also be an easy A. They don’t grade you on accuracy, but rather your “lab skills”.</p>

<p>-MATH 231: I didn’t take Calc II here, but it can be a tough course, especially if you’re in one of the specially-marked “engineering” sections. In the end though, it’s a pretty standard math class that everyone has to take; this is just one of those things you have to do and get through it.</p>

<p>-PHYS 211: If you have any background knowledge in mechanics, this class is almost a guaranteed A. For the first half of the semester, you focus on standard kinetics and energetics (that is to say “standard mechanics”), then for the second half of the semester, you focus more on rotational dynamics, which can be very tricky when you’re getting started. That being said, there is a ridiculous amount of padding for the grades in PHYS 211/212. The grading policy can be found here: [Physics</a> 211 Course Description](<a href=“http://online.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys211/summer12/description_211_new.html]Physics”>http://online.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys211/summer12/description_211_new.html). As far as the lab goes, it is really a joke. Most labs consist of you rolling a ball down a slope or rolling a cart down a track with a spring, etc, and all you have to do are a few quantitative measurements. For this lab, you do have to meet every week, but the prelab only took me five to ten minutes per week, and you turn in your lab report at the end of the lab, so there is almost no outside time commitment.</p>

<p>I can’t speak for your ME class or ENG 101, but really, the rest of your schedule is pretty easy. From some of the other people who took the merit workshops, I was told that they were a lot more effort than they were worth. You essentially do an extra hour of problem sets over what the normal sections would do, and your TA doesn’t help beyond nudging your study groups in the right direction. I personally don’t think it is worth it. Taking “honors” classes (and I say “honors” because the merit workshop doesn’t count as honors on your transcript) only matters if you’re taking them specifically for your major, or if you’re taking them to fulfill a James Scholar/CHP requirement. There is no reason for you to put in the extra work for one credit hour. That, and college learning is completely different than high school learning in that you really need to learn how to budget your own time and figure out how much you personally need to devote to a specific subject, not go into your section routinely for an extra hour every time. It doesn’t teach you how to prioritize your studying–personal opinion.</p>

<p>Anyway, looks like a good schedule. You should do perfectly fine. </p>

<p>*For validation purposes, I’ll be a sophomore in the fall. First semester I took: MATH 241, PHYS 211, CHEM 102/103, MATH 199 (a gened), ENG 100, and ENG 199 (a one-credit class) for a total of 16 hours. Second semester, I took ECE 110, ECE 190, LING 199 (a gened), MATH 213, and PHYS 212, for a total of 18 hours. I have a 4.0 cumulative GPA, and I still go out on weekends, run, play video games, that whole deal. You just have to learn to prioritize and you’ll be fine with almost any schedule imo.</p>

<p>I went to U of I in the mid 90s, so things may have changed a bit since I graduated.</p>

<p>Anway, personally, I would take an easier load your first semester. I would drop one of the science classes and take an easy elective like Classic Civ or Macroeconomics.</p>

<p>You probably would be able to handle your current class schedule, but it really is an adjustment getting used to college life. Plus, if you are interested in joining clubs or a fraternity, having an easier schedule will allow you to develop more friendships your first year of school.</p>

<p>As an engineering student who just finished his first year, I would recommend taking either Phys211 or ME170 your second semester. If you look at the curriculum track for your engineering discipline, I am almost positive that most of them say to take Physics211 second semester.</p>

<p>What you’re doing is compressing the already difficult 4 year program into a smaller time frame when there isn’t really a need to do so. You aren’t hurt in any way by taking Physics second semester and I’m fairly sure ME is a sophomore level course anyway.</p>

<p>It will be difficult to juggle the labs, and even harder with the extra classes. Do you have any gen-eds you haven’t satisfied yet? You could substitute in one of those. Also, take a look at minor degrees and see if you could fit in an intro class for that minor instead. </p>

<p>I’m sure most CCers don’t care about this part - but your social life will take a huge hit. If you are interested in fraternity/club life, I guarantee that when making the decision, your amount of work will be a factor. Sure, you can go out once or twice a week, but until you live down there…you won’t understand how little that actually is.</p>

<p>There are many different types of students, and it is all based on your personality and what you want out of college. Just know that harder classes will take their toll on social life, it just depends how much you’re willing to sacrifice. </p>

<p>My experience from these classes:</p>

<p>102/103 will depend on when your last chem class was and how well you did. Took AP chem and only got a 4?(Or 3, whichever one doesn’t give you credit, I don’t even know.) Then you should be fine. For me, my last chem class was a regular class my sophomore year of HS, and I had some difficulty with the class. It’s a decent amount of work if you’re unfamiliar with it.</p>

<p>Phys 211 - Pretty easy, but never take a class for granted. Average amount of work, if you took a good physics class in HS you will likely have seen 70% of the material before. Weekly quizzes in discussion sections. </p>

<p>Engineering 101…it’s a pass/fail class that has no effect on your GPA. It is for engineering students who have ABSOLUTELY no idea what is going on in each field and is designed for them to get an idea. A representative from a different department comes in each week. You do nothing more than show up and take 2 online quizzes that can done in about 5 mins each completely with google. I would only take this if you have no idea what engineering you want to do. Otherwise just meet with each department individually.</p>