Covid and Fall Enrollment at BS

Thank you @vwlizard for posting the CT reopening guidelines. We’re in PA, but seem to be moving in similar speed to CT when it comes to the COVID timeline. Mercersburg will be sending a zoom link for a session in early June to discuss reopening plans, and I am anxious to hear what they have to say. They have developed a task force to design and implement the plans for fall.

@vwlizard would you mind sharing some of the details that Forman shared with you about the fall? I am assuming face masks are going to be a given, eating arrangements will be adjusted, no school-wide meetings, no parents weekend. I am most interested in how they are going to handle dorm life and extra curricular activities.

I would also be on board with an early opening in August. As soon as I heard Notre Dame’s plan to open 2 weeks early, end at Thanksgiving and resume in January, I thought it was a great plan. I’m not sure if that is a strategy that the boarding schools will try at this point. The clock is ticking, and that decision would need to be made very soon.

Has any of your schools proposed a staggered school arrival or a staggered start to school?

In CT, no one is allowed to step foot on campus until Sept 1.

So, I wish I had taken notes and maybe I will go back and watch the recording, but this is what I can remember off of the top of my head.

  • Staggered school opening. Plus, drop off times will be scheduled so that there is only 1 family moving into each dorm at a time. Only one parent allowed (I have to check this, but I think that’s what they said). Arrivals will probably happen over a 2 week period.
  • Everyone that comes onto campus will be tested. Testing locations are before the entrance of the campus.
  • No students allowed to leave campus.
  • Rooms to quarantine if need be.
  • A percentage of students will be retested each day
  • Parent’s weekend will most likely be virtual.
  • Most likely, students will go home for Thanksgiving Break, have a couple of weeks of virtual classes and then start Christmas break, or the school year will extend a couple of weeks. They do not want people going home for Thanksgiving and then coming back onto campus.
  • Students will be broken into “family” groups of 40-50 and will stay within those groups for dorms, classes, activities, meals, etc. They will wear masks and social distance in class, but do not need to social distance in the dorms. Students will only have contact with those in their “family group”
    -There will be trained contact tracers on campus
  • retrofitting the cafeteria serving line. No self serve pasta, cereal, sandwich, salad, etc bars. Those things will be prepacked for grab and go.
  • there are only a few day students, but they will be tested each day before coming on campus and the drop off/pick up spot is a bit off campus.

    -Doors will be propped open when they can.
  • Sanitizer at each door way
  • staggered release of classes so less passing in halls. Halls may be one way only.
    -online availability in case kids can not return to school, choose to stay home first semester or have to leave campus if they test positive

It was also explained that these are there will be green, yellow and red days. The above mainly pertain to red days. The severity of the restrictions will depend on the data they receive from the county (which currently has almost no cases) and the nearby hospital that will track admissions. There are hopes that this is just the “worst case scenario” plan and things may loosen up.

@Golfgr8 Thacher is likely to stagger arrivals in the fall, too.
Thank you for the detailed response, @vwlizard. Hadn’t thought about hallways between classes and passing periods since the classroom doors at Thacher all lead to the outdoors. (I assume that’s the case at Cate, too, @CateCAParent ?)

A lot of these plans hinge on the widespread availability of tests that are easy to administer and for which one can get results fairly quickly – not several hours or days later. I don’t know how realistic or unrealistic that is. I do know that there are a LOT of people coming onto boarding school campuses every day, including groundskeepers, dining hall and kitchen staff, custodial and maintenance workers, and more.

DS school is already sure they can secure the tests through a contact that they have.

I love the idea of starting early and breaking at Thanksgiving til Janauary. Unlikely to happen in MA. Given the Phase I-IV approach, if one counts out three weeks at a time it brings you through the late Summer at the very best. So it’s doubtful they could start early. MA is behind CT, as they have had many more cases ( and deaths) and three major outbreak areas ( most where BS are located). So even if BS’s want to start early I don’t see how it could happen. Sigh.

A local college is reportedly going to have a dorm left empty so they can use it to quarantine as needed. Another school is hiring more nurses and doctors to monitor the situation.
We have two close friends who are deans ( one a college and one a University). Both have mentioned that the number of data points going into the decisions is overwhelming. Surprisingly size is not the only factor. The way classes are run, the level of comfort with online learning, the fiscal health of the school and even where the schools are located are factoring in. So are the number of international students. Apparently, many students and parents have also expressed frustration at being unable to return. And some schools might split online and in person learning depending on the subject matter or even class level.

I don’t have any faith in widespread, valid tests. Nor do I believe a vaccine is going to be available this Fall. I think we are in a situation where folks will have to gauge their own risks and do what they think is best. LIfe can’t be put on hold too long. I do hope many international kids come back ( even if they have to come early and quarantine) I’m really only worried about local cases since BS staff ( kitchen and admin) mainly live in the area. The rest live on campus. Even then I consider a BS to be very low risk when compared to those shopping at Walmart or a gigantic supermarket.

FWIW - the 15 minute (or less) test is now widely available down here but not sure how reliable it is…I agree @ feeling safer sending kiddo to BS compared to the Big Box Store…Not yet sure how I feel about getting on a plane. Has anyone on here been on a plan during the past few weeks?

I think schools are also concerned about liability. A friend of ours teaches at a well know Ivy law school. He is @ 60 and tenured. He mentioned to us that the school has brought up liability concerns (go figure) and how he will most likely be teaching remotely due to his age.

At least in CT, there is no special plan for boarding schools, they are part of the residential higher ed plan so they are subject to the same rules as schools like UConn or Yale. As such there is no expectation of closed campus you can keep 100% infection free as ideal as it would be. Testing and tracing, plus a lot of social distancing rules and no gatherings of 50+ people are designed to catch any outbreak early and handle it before it gets out of hand. As such, each school has to have plan to quarantine both the students/staff who are exposed as well as those that test positive, as well as plan how to deal with anyone who gets sick (hospital capacity etc). And a plan to clear the campus quickly should health concerns require it.
Our school is working on meeting all the requirements and plans to open if allowed to do so. But it all very much depends on what happens now that the reopening of the state (and much of the country) has started. While there is no option to open early (as @vwlizard already said Sept 1 is best case scenario) our school has a delayed opening plan should the opening plans by the state be pushed back by a few weeks. Also possibility to switch to online after Thanksgiving should the numbers go up again. But bottom line, my main takeaway is that it is much more in the hands of Gov. Lamont, and really state governments elsewhere because nobody lives in a vacuum and if other states are not opening up colleges CT is not likely to go against the tide. So it very much hinges on where this country is by July.

@417WHB Interesting that BS in CT follows the same rules as residential higher ed. Back in March, here in MA, there was a lot of discussion regarding when to close schools. Many privates inlcuding BS’s closed earlier/later than the public schools. And their plans were VERY different. The privates didn’t follow the guidelines of the Governor at all. So I was assuming that is still the case for going forward. There seem to be two camps,1. open everything up now and let people decide and 2. let’s go slow and figure it out based on what happens. Right now, neither side seems to be in the lead.
From what I have heard from our school and multiple friends, each school in MA has been figuring out what is best for them (including the state input, of course).

@Happytimes2001 Is there no re-opening plan for MA with phases spelling out what sort of businesses can re-open and when? Schools/camps/colleges are typically part of that plan. I don’t think there is any state that just lets the schools to decide to open whenever. So in order to even be able to make a decision, there has to be a green light from the state. If you do not get it the decision is completely out of your hands. If you do, it is up to you to decide whether you can make things work given the set of requirements presented. Most schools seem to be trying to be in position to be able to open if the green light is given, providing online option for those who will need it.
@Golfgr8 the liability issue is very relevant to boarding schools as well, and really any organization/business reopening. There is belief that it will be addressed by the legislation currently debated in Congress. And yes, our boarding school mentioned that there are some high risk faculty members who will continue to teach online. Since there are likely to be some students who won’t be able or willing to come back having an online option is a given for most if not all schools.

Funny, I hadn’t thought about how these issues get down to the granular level of classroom doors. But of course they do. @CaliMex, the Cate science building has internal hallways, but all the rest have external doors, iirc. Most have 2+ doors. Many are really small – just enough for the table and 12-ish kids without social distancing. So that’s a problem. But lots of classes already go outside, so that isn’t a huge obstacle.

I would feel much better with a testing protocol as @vwlizard described, and hope that the tests are reliable and economical. It would stink to be a day student and go through testing every morning, but it is do-able. Kiddo was saying that students already have a self-reporting obligation if they aren’t feeling well, but kids rarely report because they are stressed about missing class. You can’t rely on kids to self-report.

I am trying to envision how the changes described would be employed at Cate. I don’t see how you can limit the kids to families of 40-50, when so many have classes with upper/lower grades. Eg advanced math classes can be a mix of three grades – and there are maybe two sections total. And then they all scatter to different language classes. And those poor kids with significant others! Heaven help the staff if they try to separate them – especially since they haven’t been together since February.

Ugh – move in day. Hadn’t thought about that, either. It would have to be staggered. Pre-covid there was a natural staggering because football etc came early, then each class has their own assigned day with freshmen reporting last. I can see staggering the freshmen – that day is utter chaos (filled with sweet traditions that probably can’t happen now). But there just aren’t enough days to stagger everyone (there are just 7 dorms). Maybe you give each family a two hour window to get stuff into the room, and only have one family per floor at a time? The return students will have their stuff stored on campus already, so that’s no big deal.

Cate has been building a new dining hall/student center for ever – it was supposed to open last fall, then fall parents weekend, then January, then spring parents weekend… It is going to finally be open this fall, and supposedly fortuitously designed to be flexible in how food is delivered. It is also large enough to provide ample spacing and outdoor eating. If it weren’t for that, meals would be a huge problem. And there is an added bonus that the old dining hall is now empty – so it can be repurposed. They were going to immediately start remodeling work for a new super cool library, but those plans are on hold in order to accommodate Covid changes.

I worry about the teachers. Not only for the health reasons, but this is a lot to manage.

I like the red/yellow/green days. Makes total sense.

ETA – I can’t find anything about whether the higher ed rules apply to boarding schools. Regular schools in Cal will be opening “with restrictions” in phase 2, but higher ed is phase 3. Cal State schools are all virtual in the fall, what the UCs are doing isn’t clear. A tiny isolated boarding school is nothing like a UC campus. It shouldn’t have to follow those guidelines. It is safer than a public high school is, so it should be able to open when public high schools do.

@417WHB Yes, in MA there is a 4 step plan. But the colleges, Universities, Privates and Boarding schools can all make their own plans to open. They aren’t forced to follow the Governor’s lead. Are you sure they are forced to in CT? That seems odd. As I mentioned, in MA many dates by the MA governor were far off back in the Spring. One of my kids school closed well before the state and the other closed right before the state closed the public schools. I’m personally very happy about this. I feel like the state has had a terribly high death rate and people are very cautious. But there also are people who want to open so their businesses don’t go under. I’d rather have our BS following it’s own course. They know the situation best. One of my kids’ schools was giving more weight to the MA Governor’s plan than the other. Both basically stated, we’ll see where we are and where the state is and then decide.

Yesterday, we got a note that said what their plan was. Not even a mention of the Governor’s rules. It could be that they open fully well before the public schools. The governor of MA also closed the schools til I think May 4th and then til the end of the year. That didn’t affect the plan for either of my kids. Their decisions again were off by weeks vis-a-vis the state so I’m certain they are planning their own course.

Lville has extended the tuition deadline by two weeks…I suspect other schools have/will as well. They also talk about having fewer people in dorms, so I’m going to assume there will be no movement off any waitlists this year as most schools are better off starting in the fall with fewer students.

I have to say, as a public school teacher currently hearing every possibility of how school will look in the fall, I have never been so happy to have a kid at boarding school. I don’t believe kids will be able to safely come back to public schools unless the data and science change quickly over the summer, leaving two choices. Don’t go back or go back, but safety is a charade.

I know DS school will look a bit different, but at least I know he will be getting an education. I think I’m already throwing in the towel on DD LPS.

@vwlizard - me too. At first I was cranky (paying tuition for online learning? Ugh), but kiddo’s actually still learning stuff while at home, much more so than the LPS kids. And if his bs can actually open, I feel so much better with him being there than here. Even factoring in the dorm situation, they can control the safety of the campus better, keep up the quality of education better, and keep his social interactions more “normal “. I can’t fathom how the local public high school can make the necessary adjustments.

Also the budget cuts coming down the pipeline for public education in California make me shudder. The schools are going to be decimated- like they weren’t already. This generation is getting hosed. On so many levels.

FYI CDC guidelines published recently for returning to school.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/schools.html

Any parents of newly accepted students starting to feel frustrated with the school due to poor or contradictory communication, or a lack of transparency? Or difficult possibilities are presented in a way that is not sensitive to how it will make families/future students feel (so the school leadership communication is not being as kind or thoughtful as it could be)?

I see others posting how the school is handling it so well, and I am at the moment not feeling it.

Hi @sunandclouds - I am sorry that you are having this experience and that your student is going through this “waiting” period of starting BS during the COVID crisis. First, just want to validate how you are feeling. So many kids are feeling a variety of emotions this time of year during normal circumstances (eg finishing MS, ending the school year, anticipation of leaving home for the first time, saying goodbye to friends, anxiety about starting BS, etc). For parents, it is also stressful - trying to make plans for travel, time off from work, deciding on financial commitments, managing the start of school for the siblings, etc.

  • It’s still May! So, for the BS calendar during normal (non pandemic ) times, there is usually limited communication with incoming students at this point. Most schools have sent out links to the placement tests and mandatory forms to complete. Not a whole lot in May. For our BS, we have contacted new students and parents either by email or phone to welcome them. Keep in mind, that many schools right now are trying to graduate their Seniors and complete their paperwork.

One of the frustrating things for parents seems to be the inconsistency of information and “not knowing”, or not having set plans yet for the return.
It seems as though different states and/or different counties even are giving schools different directives at this point. Also there are CDC guidelines (see above) that would certainly restrict many of the activities enjoyed at BS. Thrown the school lawyers into the mix and bet there are some heavy discussions @ how to safely return to school while limiting liability.

We just went through a back & forth situation with a summer program at a college - what could be interpreted as a lack of transparency turned out to be, first, not knowing what the state would allow and, second, if they could meet program safety guidelines. They just decided to cancel after weeks of promising to go forward. Go figure!

Happy to help with your situation if I can…

My personal mantra for this pandemic is flexibility, creativity, and patience. This is new, complex, unsettling territory for everyone, including school administration.

Can you be more specific re: shortcomings vs. your expectations?