CPAC convention: Ann Coulter on John Edwards

smurfgirl · March 9, 2007, 7:35pm

I already posted on here about Coulter.

I’ve already said this before, I do not use the word, I have never used the word, and I will never use that word.

Now you know my feelings on that subject.

Now, how do you all denounce her when Bill Maher basically wished for the assasination of Dick Cheney while Barney Frank just sits there and laughs. Mind you he’s a CONGRESSMAN. How does that not bother you? A Congressman not even hesistating at Maher’s remarks.

How come no one says anything when people poke fun at Cheney’s medical problems when MILLIONS OF AMERICANS suffer from heart disease? Why are the jokes acceptable?

How come not one person challenges the hatred Ted Kennedy spews day in and day out? For example, bashing our servicemen and women (I will refrain from using “soldiers” since there is a HUGE difference between soldiers and Marines.)

How come nobody on here speaks out against Dick Durbin who said this?
“If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings.” Isn’t that nice for our servicemen and women to come home to hear; that they are Nazis?

What about Hillary Clinton sporting her new southern accent? Don’t you find that insulting towards African Americans who are from the South?

Just a thought. And don’t any of you dare tell me LIKE BEFORE that this topic is strictly about Coulter and Edwards. Now, I don’t remember who told me this and I’m not going to search 16 pages for this person. But, if you guys are now going to discuss whether being gay is genetic or environmental, then I should have the freedom to post this.

The fact that this topic is still interesting to you guys is beyond me.

Hindoo · March 9, 2007, 7:50pm

Smurfgirl–There are mean-spirited hypocrites of every age, race, faith, nationality, and political persuasion. I agree with you that Bill Maher has periodically crossed the line. And I’m not a big fan of Hillary’s, primarily because of her support for Bush’s war. (I may be tone deaf, but I haven’t picked up on her new southern accent. Even if I had, I wouldn’t think it was insulting to African Americans. Why would you even think that? I live in the south and there are plenty of us–both black- and white-skinned–who speak with southern accents. … I’ve never found Cheney’s heart problems to be funny, though as a political figure I really don’t care for him. … As for Ann Coulter. I think many of us, both Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative, agree that she is scary, pathetically crazy. She’s gone far, far beyond offensive political commentary, into the realm of insanity.

smurfgirl · March 9, 2007, 7:52pm

Hillary Clinton spoke with her southern accent in a African American church. She’ll do ANYTHING to get elected.

<a href=“currentworldnews.net”>currentworldnews.net;

I know it’s from Fox news, however, it has audio and video and there is a clip of her speaking in her “southern” accent.

And the clip of Barack Obama and the Civil Rights Act of 1965??
He was born in 1961.

And yes, I am in love with the southern accent, but she just ruined it for me. ;)

Hindoo · March 9, 2007, 7:58pm

Wel, that certainly had the potential to be offensive. (But realize that some people do this unintentionally. My best friend many years ago in high school was involved with the foreign exchange student program. Whenever our school had a student visiting from abroad, my friend would pick up that person’s accent–be it English, Iraqi, or whatever. It was quite funny in that she didn’t even realize she was doing this!)… Smurfgirl, ALL political creatures can be repulsive and offensive. Hillary is not alone in this, I’m afraid.

smurfgirl · March 9, 2007, 8:00pm

I don’t know…I don’t think this was unintentional.

And yes, I know all political creatures can be repulsive and offensive…so why should I even bother voting in 08?

Hindoo · March 9, 2007, 8:11pm

Good question, smurfgirl. Political figures, like all of us, can be good and decent, but at the same time, flawed. We simply have to zero in on the candidate whose philosophy best matches our own, then put an X in the box next to his or her name. The fact that this person may have once upon a time smoked a joint, drove inebriated, cheated on a spouse, hired an illegal housekeeper, failed to pay parking tickets, or even spoke with an affected accent, must ultimately be set aside in favor of the larger picture. If we’re unable to do that, there will be no candidates to choose from.

smurfgirl · March 9, 2007, 8:15pm

Thanks for enlightening me on this subject Hindoo! I really appreciate it.

Hindoo · March 9, 2007, 8:16pm

You’re welcome, smurfgirl. You’ve given me some things to think about, as well.

momfromme · March 9, 2007, 9:17pm

smurfgirl - Your examples are either nonfactual or off-base. Clinton was quoting a well-known minister and the crowd loved it; she was not mocking anyone. If you’ve seen the footage, you surely know that the audience was clearly not offended but instead gave her enthusiastic applause as she delivered the accented quote.

I can’t imagine what you are talking about re: Ted Kennedy bashing soldiers - can you provide an example?

Durbin was absolutely right that there have been horrific things done by Americans holding terrorism suspects. This is a very serious problem and has severely injured the nation’s moral reputation, which itself undermines cooperation other governments give us when we ask their help to combat terrorism. That said, Sen. Durbin apologized for the Nazi comparison and has clearly stated that the language he used was problematic. Coulter has not apologized, but has in fact defended her statement.

Maher NEVER called for the assassination of Cheney, never.

And if you read the full Obama speech, it will be clear that he was talking about being a child of the civil rights movement in general which, by the way, started in the 1950s, before he was born. This was the theme of the whole speech – that the great civil rights leaders were like Moses, but he is part of the “Joshua generation.”

momfromme · March 9, 2007, 10:03pm

And, smurfgirl, let me say this as gently as possible – If you’re getting most of your news from Fox News (please note I said “if”), you may want to broaden your sources. As a study by a public opinion research center at the University of Maryland found, Fox News viewers held more misperceptions of news than people who used other news outlets as their primary source. See study here <a href=“http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf[/url]”>http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf</a>, chart comparing Fox News viewers to others is on p. 15.

And regarding my last post, let me add: a) Clinton’s accented statement took up maybe 20 seconds of her whole speech and only correlated with the quote she delivered (and clearly the crowd loved it) and b) I certainly did not mean to imply that all Americans holding prisoners mistreated them.

mini · March 9, 2007, 10:15pm

Hillary has only lived with a sweet-talkin’ drawlin’ sutherna who happened to commit genocide (with a half million dead children on his hands) for some 35 years. I should hope she should be able to pull off the accent in a 20-second spurt, and the audience loved it.

I’m surprised we haven’t heard from Mitt - after all, he did promise to “out-gay” Ted Kennedy.

momfromme · March 9, 2007, 10:20pm

mini --yes, there are real policy issues worth talking about. HRC speaking in a southern accent isn’t one of them. Coulter’s comment only matters to me because of its relationship to a policy agenda.

higherlead · March 9, 2007, 11:45pm

“with a half million dead children on his hands”

Bill is guilty of a lot of things but IF half a million children died in Iraq for want of milk while Saddam was building palaces with gold faucets and funding the PLO that blood certainly is not on his hands.

As for Hillary and her accent - go back and dig up her early campaign appearances in 1991 and you will hear a Southern accent you can cut with a fork. She dropped it ad Little Rock after the election like a bad habit when she didn’t need those yokels any more.

dke · March 10, 2007, 7:47am

I can guarantee you that Hillary doesn’t speak in a southern drawl at her Wellesley reunions. “Let’s see, today let’s try a Long Island Lockjaw on for size!”

momfromme · March 10, 2007, 7:52am

The accent thing is such a non-issue. I mean, I’ve heard virtually every politician change how they speak depending on where they were. When President Bush was in Alabama a week or so ago, his accent was clearly more deep south and less Texan. He tones it up and down depending on where he is. Who cares?

higherlead · March 10, 2007, 11:35am

Yeah I have a lot of bigger issues with Hillary. Couldn’t are less what accent she adopts. It is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. It is the nonsense that comes out of her mouth that annoys me not the delivery.

mini · March 10, 2007, 12:06pm

“Bill is guilty of a lot of things…”

Well, if his Secretary of State says the killing of half a million children was “acceptable” at a time when there was NO intelligence that Iraq had a WMD program, I don’t see why the reality of the Clinton genocide is so hard to accept. The Europeans knew about it, and pressured him to end it, and the basis of today’s hostile, aggressive occupation in Iraq begins with the Clinton/Tenet lies of 1998 aimed at the great genocide coverup. Without them, U.S. troops wouldn’t be in Iraq today.

(His accent is real, I think.)

kluge · March 10, 2007, 12:50pm

Mini, your obsession with this theme is tedious. I’ve avoided engaging you with regard to it because you have about the same level of objectivity regarding this subject as most one-note bloggers - which is to say precious little. I’ve read up on the Albright “acceptable” comment and you’re not accurately representing the context of that; the “reality of the genocide” is similarly a lot more complex than you choose to acknowledge. The entire situation was a multi-party, multi-issue international conflict with plenty of blame to go around – hardly the black and white soundbite you choose to portray it as. That’s why most of us old timers here, who have read you repeat your obsessive comments over and over and over again just kind of ignore you on the subject.

Sorry, but that’s just the way it is.

smurfgirl · March 10, 2007, 12:54pm

Yes, Maher did call for the assasination of Cheney. Either you haven’t seen the video, or you’re in denial.

I do not get my news from Fox News. I get them from various outlets and I pay attention to how senators vote on certain issues (Yes, it’s documented and made public). I only used the video from Fox News because there was video footage whereas the first time I heard Hillary Clinton’s speech it was only audio footage.

My post was not offbase. I consider the fact that the conversation turned into whether or not being gay is genetic or environmental to be offbase. I do not have any quotes of Kennedy bashing our troops directly, but rather, indirectly. I’m not going to get into an argument about this because that would be totally “offbase”, and there are enough threads about the war where we can debate this.

Here’s some more examples of hate speech from the Democratic Party that were never denounced:

California Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata:

You’ve got all these crackers down in Southern Cal – ah, where is it, San Diego, taking on the governor.

NBC News military analyst and Washingtonpost.com columnist Bill Arkin:

But it is the United States, and the recent NBC report is just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary - oops sorry, volunteer - force that thinks it is doing the dirty work.

Former Democrat presidential candidate Al Sharpton, on Jews
diamond merchants

Leftist media mogul Ted Turner:

What are you? A bunch of Jesus freaks? You ought to be working for Fox.

Air America radio personality and Senate candidate Al Franken:

Hey, I was glad when that Pudding homosexual got killed in Philadelphia.

Radio personality Stephen Crockett:

If I had my way, I would see Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell strapped down to electric chairs and lit up like Christmas trees. The better to light the way for American Democracy and American Freedom!

I’m not debating any of this, but rather, I’m trying to get you guys to think about this. Sorry for not putting in the proper punctuation, I’m in a rush right now. Also, these quotes are the real deal and come from legit sources. I am willing to bet that you guys haven’t heard most of these quotes.

conyat · March 10, 2007, 1:02pm

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In other words, someone told you Kennedy bashed the troops and you fell for it because of the truthiness factor.

It’s like when I tried to track down the “death car” urban legend, by asking each person to put me in touch with the person they heard it from. Suddenly “my mom’s friend” who had seen the car became “my mom’s friends’ cousin” who became “my mom’s friends’ cousins’ coworker.” People became indignant when it was demonstrated to them that the car probably didn’t really exist. I found out later this phenomenon is known as debunker rage.

We had an incident like this on CC. One of the right wing prowar posters insisted that posters here in multiple threads said something despicable about the troops–but it all fell apart when the person was asked to provide even one link…not only couldn’t she provide the link, she kept changing her story about what happened…yet she kept insisting it had happened, and we all just had to take her word for it.

CPAC convention: Ann Coulter on John Edwards

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