CSM: Low-income families get college aid help

<p>College students and parents who earn less than $45,000 annually and have their taxes done at select H&R Block offices will get free help completing the FAFSA, or Free Application for Federal Student Aid. Data compiled from these forms will be compared with a group that received only a financial-ad pamphlet for a new study aimed to improve access to higher education.</p>

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<p>Do families need and want this kind of help with the FAFSA or will the study simply come to the conclusion that it is much more fruitful to concentrate on larger grant size…</p>

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<p>This really really really scares me. I have personal experience with Block and have been a Professional Tax Preparer for 14 years. I am also Financial Aid Counselor. I have seen numerous customers of Block whose financial lives have been utterly destroyed because of bad advice. And as a Financial Aid Counselor, I cannot imagine their tax professsionals having sufficient training to keep up with the ever changing Title IV regulations…it is hard enough to keep up when that is one’s primary job function.</p>

<p>Excerpt, out of context really, from the previous post: “I have seen numerous customers of Block whose financial lives have been utterly destroyed because of bad advice.”</p>

<p>Considering the source, now I’m worried about a few other matters in my life… j/k</p>

<p>In all seriousness, I clicked onto this thread, wondering if this could reduce paperwork headache for low-income families and thereby open doors for students.</p>

<p>I’ll read this thread with great interest. Since my expertise is in education, not finance, I look forward to what others will post. </p>

<p>Thanks to the OP. This thread might prove productive, espec. with a pilot study.
I can agree to overlook Block’s obvious agenda re: customer base. Could there also be some good lurking in there for students’ families. Paperwork overwhelms many decent working families, which is why they might use Block in the first place, so why not explore this pathway in a pilot study. I heard one poster’s precaution against concluding in favor of the large grant, but am not sure what that means, exactly…</p>

<p>I worked part-time for H&R Block over 20 years ago. We had a policy of checking a client’s previous year return for free to seek errors. I was always amazed at how many returns prepared by CPAs were incorrect. Block, at that time, focused on the average Joe’s return. Many CPAs just used consumer tax returns as a cash cow & weren’t really trained in the type of deductions and laws pertaining to our client base. If a complicated return crossed our desk, for which we were out of our league, the client was passed up to the executive prep division. </p>

<p>So much of financial, tax, & investment advice needs to be tailored to the client base. My brother is a fiduciary accountant & can answer the most esoteric question regarding estates & trusts. But ask him a question about a child care credit & he’ll have to look it up. His clients are gazillionaires, so he never deals with those credits.</p>

<p>I haven;t followed the H&r Block training program over the years, so I don’t know if its quality has suffered. But this program sounds like a creative way to benefit both Block & the low-income tax client who is facing the FASA headache.</p>

<p>paying…when I said I had experience with Block, it wasn’t as one of their Tax Preparers, it was as someone who has fixed mistakes made on returns filed through Block and friends who went to Block whose financial lives were ruined by rookie preparers who didn’t understand Tax Code and DOE requirements.</p>

<p>Sticker…I think part of it is the area in which the office is located and the lack of concern over accuracy by those training the rookie preparers. Where I am, our office is full of rookies and I have seen so many mistakes coming out of there. I have also seen some returns from other locations that were error free. </p>

<p>Primarily, my concern is more from the FAA point of view…so much changes from year to year and much is actually in gray areas open to individual interpretation. Therefore, you can have 5 offices conducting 5 training sessions…and each trainer interpret the law differently…and this doesn’t just apply to tax office, but colleges as well. There’s also that UGLY UGLY phrase which resides at the bottom of the FAFSA which reads: “If you or your parents purposely give false or misleading information, you and your parents may be fined $20,000, sent to prison, or both.” Concern: If someone from ANY tax agency assists a parent/student in completing their FAFSA, what documentation will be provided so the parent/student can prove any potential errors were not deliberate or purposely misleading? For example…I once had a student who said “My friend told me if I answered yes to the ‘Orphan or Ward of the Court’ question, I could avoid putting in my parents information and would be able to get the Pell Grant. Why are you asking for proof that I am an orphan or ward of the court?” I answered, “Are you an orphan?” He said, “No, I live with my mother.” I said, “Then why did you list that you were an orphan?” “So I could get Pell.” Obviously, based on this and other information drug out of this student, he purposely provided false and misleading information on his fafsa and, if prosecuted by the Department of Education (we just refused to give him any aid), he could face a fine and/or prison time. What if, instead of a friend telling him to answer in this manner, it had been a tax professional telling him that is what he must answer? How could he prove his case? </p>

<p>And, what types of Financial Aid information would offices like this provide to students? Just information for the FAFSA application? Information on federal and state grants? Scholarships? There is so much to the world of Financial Aid…I just don’t know that someone can be properly trained to process Tax Returns (an industry with ever changing rules and regulations) and be properly trained to properly advise students about financial aid (another industry with ever changing rules and regulations.)</p>

<p>payingfor3 - thanks for your thoughtful edit. “I clicked onto this thread, wondering if this could reduce paperwork headache for low-income families and thereby open doors for students.” Exactly - as I understand this initiative, it is part of the DOE’s campaign to narrow the class divide and encourage larger numbers of lower SES and first generation college students not only to go to college but to stay and graduate. </p>

<p>This initiative is a push from the bottom up - just as colleges like Amherst’s efforts to attract low-income students can be understood to be from the top down. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings is quite fierce when it comes to criticizing the basically unnecessary length and complexity of the FAFSA and this pilot program is yet another part of the “Student Aid Gauntlet”. Backed by the American Council on Education and the Lumina Foundation the primary objective is to reduce the intimidating paperwork etc. with the hope that this will eliminate stress and the “fear factor” when it comes to finding out about and applying for federal aid. </p>

<p>The approach is novel because it sets out not just to simplify but to standardize the process: “The experiment, which is aimed at lower-income people who have teenage or college-age children or are potential college students themselves, seeks to gauge whether making it easier for low- and moderate-income families to apply for financial aid improves their college-going rates. What is unusual, however, is the research design ? offering taxpayers a painless way to turn the information on their tax forms into a financial aid application…” Results culled from the experiment will yield information about the best pathways to invest time and money - my comment about the grants simply picks up on the possible outcome of the program: “If we see there are families jumping at the chance to have someone help them with their FAFSA, that might be one way to invest our resources. If we find that we don’t get much of a response at all, that may tell us there aren’t as many problems with process as we thought, and we should invest in grant size.” Problems with HR Block certainly exist - and I would think that part of the point of the pilot program would be to see if this route is worth the time and effort and if widespread use of the software program is feasible at all. One of the key questions at the outset is - do enough people want or need this service?</p>

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