CTY still offering advanced math? [multivariable calculus, linear algebra]

Hi there - I am a CTY alum (30+ years ago) and my son is qualified for advanced CTY courses - he has finished the math at his school (10th grade) and is looking for Multivariable calculus and linear algebra for the next two years of high school. We hadn’t used CTY courses yet (he had been doing school/AOPS) and I was excited about him using CTY for these courses. However, they don’t seem to be listed in their online courses. Does anyone know if they discontinued offering these? I emailed CTY and got a somewhat automated response that said they don’t offer those classes. I tried joining and posting in the Facebook CTY parents page, but the admins haven’t approved my post (yet). All of this is very odd behavior for JHU CTY. Anyone know what’s up? Any suggestions for other programs? He doesn’t need credit, just an official type of program to show he’s continuing to proceed in math. Thanks!

For anyone that is wondering, I did get an answer finally from CTY. They are no longer offering any AP or advanced math courses in the future - at all. That’s so sad. Oh well.

Why do you need CTY after AOPS? Your kid can do Dual Enrollment or take AP with some Homeschooler program. For disclosure we used CTY for elementary grades and AOPS for middle grades with DE for HS. So I am familiar with all of the above.

We are not homeschoolers. My son attends high school full time and if finishing Calc BC in school this year (we did AOPS calculus for extra learning). He needs Multivariable calc and linear algebra, which are typically college courses. And yes, we can take them at our local university but it is VERY difficult to get the classes to work because they offer few and are on a different system (quarter vs semester). We’re looking for online so he doesn’t have to miss school during the day to take the class. There are other options we’ve explored so he’ll be ok, I’m just very disappointed in CTY since we had looked forward to using them as it was the most flexible. I imagine other people have this question or have gone down this path, so I’m leaving this info here.

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Do you have community colleges or other colleges nearby that offer those courses?

Some colleges and universities do offer those courses in online or distance format, if that is acceptable. Check if the courses are suitable for credit transfer to other colleges and universities.

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Or at night. DE through community college is a way to go. Majority of public schools will take that credit but private colleges most likely will not.

What about this option from Stanford: https://ulo.stanford.edu/

I have no personal experience with it, but I have seen people talking about it on other forums.

I just do not get why it should be Stanford or JH CTY. Is it about prestige?
Why can’t it be Community College and if you want then take AP exam. CC+AP exam will get your kid a credit in 90% of cases. DE in CC will get you riggor for application. CC classes are available in evenings, on weekends, pretty much at any time. Yes face to face classes are difficult to schedule with HS schedule but not impossible. My two kids did it. One DD took all advanced math in CC. She did Calc BC in HS, and then Calc 3 (Multivariable), Differential Equations and Linear Algebra at CC. All during HS. GaTech had no problems with it. Transferred all of them. She had never took any Math in GaTech for Engineering major…

The OP mentioned wanting online or evening options (not during the school day), and what is available in their local area may vary greatly. I just peeked at my local CC. They are currently not offering linear algebra or Diff EQ. The only multivariable is an in person/day time class. If OP is choosing between some “random” CC that happens to offer it online in the evening or asynch vs. something like Stanford online, the “name brand” might be appealing and possibly better quality.

That is sad; both my kids took a variety of CTY online and in-person classes, particularly some of the AP courses that their high school did not offer. It was a great resource for us.

However, while we didn’t have experience with the more advanced math courses, I recall that CTY’s online AP Calc offerings were just re-packaged Thinkwell courses that were starting to look a little dated. They were also a little spendy, and some CTY students struggled to find brick and mortar high schools that would actually allow them to sit for the AP exams, particularly after the pandemic. There’s also been a pretty significant organizational restructuring at CTY that began after the well-publicized blowup at their summer programs in 2022 and the removal of their previous Executive Director.

Probably a variety of factors driving them to restructure their online program offerings. At least there are other online options available for advanced math.

Name brand is not necessarily better quality. See repackaged Thinkwell comment from other user. (I happened to have experience with it too. It is OK online program for many subjects. We used it as prep for AP…)
It all depends on particular instructor. And student can use different CC. One DD went to not nearest campus due to more convenient schedule.

Have you tried CTD? It’s basically the same as CTY, with very similar course offerings. Rather than being run by Johns Hopkins, it’s run by Northwestern:

My older daughter had a similar issue as she maxed out her high school math program in junior year when she took AP Calc BC. My daughter really wanted to take Multivariable Calculus at our local CC because she wanted an in person class (and it’s free!), but we could not make the schedule work due to her high school having a unique rotating schedule and the CC not offering the class at night. I looked into the Stanford online program for high schoolers, so you could check that out. It is very expensive though. My daughter actually ended up doing the course through a program called One Schoolhouse because her high school informed us that if she did it through them they would pay for it and she could also get high school credit and have it appear on her high school transcript. I will say that while we would have preferred an in-person class, the teacher was excellent. The lessons are prerecorded and you can watch them whenever you want within the week, and then there are problem sets due weekly and exams that must be proctored by someone at your school. My daughter found the prerecorded lessons a bit challenging because she couldn’t ask questions in the moment, but the teacher had office hours and she found those very helpful. I would recommend checking them out. I know they also offer Linear Algebra. I was told colleges love seeing students take the course through dual enrollment, but if it doesn’t work out (like it didn’t for us), then I would say one of these online programs would be a good 2nd choice option.

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I think that you responded to the wrong person - you may have wanted to respond to @3catsforme :slightly_smiling_face:

Sorry, yes, I was trying to respond to the thread, not a specific person. ; )

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UIUC netmath has self paced online classes

UCSD extended studies has instructor-led courses with office hours that are actually cheaper than netmath

WTAMU has online dual enrollment courses for $50 per credit ($150 per class, usually)

Stanford ULO is not credit bearing, so it often will not be accepted for high school credit. At that point you might as well self study with AoPS, MIT OCW, etc

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