<p>Oh I believe it’s clear that they are against AA but I don’t think race-baiting is an effective way to show it. There is little “satire” in what they are doing. They are literally selling cupcakes (remains to be seen) and literally doing it based on race. I fail to see the “satire” in that.
That’s like burning a cross in someone’s lawn to prove how bad cross burning is.
First off it’s a huge distraction. I have people asking my opinion about it because I’m a minority, I feel further marginalized. If you think I can walk in Sproul on Tuesday without people looking at me to see how I will react, I would say you are being naive.
i just want to go to school without being embroiled in some controversy. This is a really bad idea. I can already imagine the chaos.</p>
<p>A Native American woman can walk off with the entire inventory at no charge… that might defeat the fundraising purpose.</p>
<p>Of course, the BCR is also incorrect in which ethnic group they assume would face the highest barrier in college admissions.</p>
<p>Does the socialist club have a Native American woman? It’d be hella funny if she got them all and just gave them out to everyone.</p>
<p>I’m happy to see that most people on CC are supporting us (I knew you guys were smart! lol). Our president has already been on CNN and Foxnews and the bake sale hasn’t even happened yet! I never anticipated such a huge reaction, especially since it has become kind of a standard anti-affirmative action thing to hold on various campuses across the country. Nevertheless, it’s good that we’re hopefully getting the attention of the people who can help stop SB 185.</p>
<p>I just want a free cupcake to be perfectly honest.</p>
<p>Are the Berkeley Republicans going to put a cap on the amount of cupcakes people can get…? Because everyone’s looking at that gaping hole where Native American females can eat the whole thing, lol. Just sayin’</p>
<p>Who benefits from the fundraiser?</p>
<p>“I’m happy to see that most people on CC are supporting us (I knew you guys were smart! lol).”</p>
<p>Oh please, please tell me that is not the conclusion you draw from this thread! You can conclude that this thread represents most people on CC? Even if the few red velvet, milk or dark chocolate cupcakes on campus DID distort the “qualified” SAT’s, my tax dollars and donations MUST be supporting something more!</p>
<p>Empty kettles.</p>
<p>I really hate affirmative action. And I understand what the club was going for with this event, but it was some pretty terrible execution. Shouldn’t have made it about prices, and should have made the satire in the event description a lot more obvious. It just ended up making all anti-affirmative action people look racist and white supremacist (and republican).</p>
<p>Anyway I hope the bill does not pass. I was just telling my sister who is applying to college this year that she doesn’t have to worry about getting into UC’s because they don’t do affirmative action. Her numbers are good enough for top colleges just like mine were 4 years ago and it is nice to have one place you’re not reverse discriminated against.</p>
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sounds like the word your going for is “pity”</p>
<p>Maybe you can argue that white kids don’t have a right to complain, but it’s definitely discrimination against Indians and Asians. </p>
<p>Compare the racial distributions between Berkeley and top schools that have AA. White percentage barely changes while Asians take a huge hit. How is a bill that does that possibly not racist itself?</p>
<p>Just for the record, I have no problem with considering background and income for admission decisions. But there’s already an essay section for that. No need to use race.</p>
<p>Right; if you want to make your personal essay about the harships you’ve overcome because of your socio-economic status/race/ethnicity/whatever, that’s totally fine. If you’ve overcome a lot, that essay might set you apart from others. BUT, if you apply to a top school, you better have the high scores to back up your claim that you’re top-school material. In this day and age, I don’t find too much justification for letting someone in who doesn’t belong in a top school, only because their skin is dark. What happened to “and my children will be judged by the content of their character and not of their skin?” Isn’t AA judging people by their skin? Basically…now, don’t get me wrong. If you’re a minority and have stellar grades/ECs/scores, then by all means, let 'em into the university. </p>
<p>AA isn’t doing a lot for equality when you have minorities thinking they’re at the top and don’t have to work as hard, and majorities are (and, although it may be misdirected, understandable) angry at these minorities who sometimes, aren’t even that well-qualified and take the place of students whose work and grades show they really belong there.</p>
<p>I think AA hurts minorities rather than help. It just promotes the thinking that any hardworking minorities didn’t get their by their own merits.</p>
<p>Look at Sonya Sotomayor and Barack Obama. Both are incredibly smart individuals. Yet anytime their college degrees and intelligence comes into question, people claim they only got into the colleges/jobs/positions because of AA and diversity programs. I think that they probably would have done just as well without them. And then nobody can question their credentials.</p>
<p>Also, if a kid gets into a school they didn’t deserve to get in based on merit, they probably shouldn’t be there. If they’re academically below their peers, they’re just going to end up at the bottom of the curve and that doesn’t help their future. (statistically, minorities do worse during college) They’re better off at a school where they can get in based on merit and can excel during college as well.</p>
<p>quit cup caking it.</p>
<p>Anyone know if they will be providing scholarships or grants for these cupcakes?</p>
<p>^^^ Come on, now…lol</p>
<p>@ Lemoncat, you assume a lot
@Flutterfly_28 isn’t that interesting how whites aren’t affected. Something is going on there, maybe your anger is misdirected.
@ starrynight the point is people will always find a way to discriminate, just look at all the racial controversies at the UCs in the recent past. this is a place with NO affirmative action. Maybe the fact that bias and discrimination exists in an atmoshphere without AA is a case FOR it not against it.
@ batman maybe the scholorship idea is better than the one the republicans came up with, I might have chuckled. Or if the cupcakes were the same price as everything else but non-asian minorities, everything else equal got first dibs on cupcakes and there were a limited number. What they’ve done now is divisive, mean spirited and just a bad analogy.</p>
<p>I now realize the ingenuity of the cupcake pricing: that it’s not so much anti-AA for admissions, rather, it grimaces against the net cost of attending Cal, and celebrates the average job offer upon graduation.</p>
<p>For starter, I think Cal bookstore and Cal events(and Strada too!) should adopt the same pricing structure pronto.</p>
<p>**** that. We should just let everyone attend Cal. Destroy all the buildings and we’ll build stadiums instead so that professors can lecture and students will surround the teacher. (And of course, we’ll still have those engineering buildings for those kids too afraid to sit in a big lecture hall).</p>
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<p>In the case of Sotomayor, her admission to Princeton and YLS was clearly aided by AA both times. To her credit, she has openly admitted as much, calling herself the “perfect affirmative action baby”. </p>
<p>*“I am a product of affirmative action,” she said. “I am the perfect affirmative action baby. I am Puerto Rican, born and raised in the south Bronx. My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale. Not so far off so that I wasn’t able to succeed at those institutions.”</p>
<p>She said that using “traditional numbers” from test scores, “it would have been highly questionable if I would have been accepted.”*</p>
<p>[Sotomayor</a> says she was ‘perfect affirmative action baby’ - CNN](<a href=“http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-11/politics/sotomayor.affirmative.action_1_affirmative-action-wise-latina-woman-test-scores?_s=PM:POLITICS]Sotomayor”>http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-11/politics/sotomayor.affirmative.action_1_affirmative-action-wise-latina-woman-test-scores?_s=PM)</p>
<p>Now you may argue that Sotomayor had validated the entire premise of affirmative action through the success of her career. Nevertheless, it is undeniable that whites or (especially) Asians person with her qualifications would probably not have been admitted to Princeton and YLS, and it is therefore an open question as to how well their careers would have been had they been given a chance. Maybe some of them might have also become Supreme Court justices; we’ll never know. </p>
<p>In the case of Barack Obama, he could end all speculation regarding the impact of affirmative action in his career, at least with regards to his admission to HLS, by simply releasing his undergrad records - something that he has pointedly never done. The undergrad records of John McCain, John Kerry, Al Gore, and George W. Bush are all public record - and frankly, they all were mediocre students at best. Obama has himself freely conceded that he too has benefited from affirmative action. </p>
<p>*Mr. Obama said he had undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action in his own academic career, *</p>
<p>[If</a> Elected … - Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences - Series - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?pagewanted=all]If”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html?pagewanted=all)</p>
<p>Now, to be fair, any detractor of affirmative action with regards to Obama has to concede that George W. Bush benefited from the ‘affirmative action’ of simply being born to a wealthy and privileged family, for family connections are the only reason that he was admitted to Yale, for which he was a legacy admit, and to HBS. I have found it ironic that many of those who decry the impact of affirmative action in favor of meritocracy seem far less animated to combat the impact of legacy admissions and nepotism.</p>