Current student here to answer questions about Amherst!

<p>Wait, where did you hear that Amherst has a “specialty in the sciences”? It has a fairly small percentage of STEM majors compared with places like Carleton and Grinnell - even Williams, thanks to its Math department. It has just ditched plans for a new science center due to cost overruns and an inability to shoehorn a single other building into its compact campus without bulldozing something else first.</p>

<p>For its size, Amherst does place a fair number of graduates into science doctoral programs, but its best known curricular innovation of late has been in the social sciences (law and jurisprudence for undergraduates.) You’ll be glad to know, however, that its English department is superb.</p>

<p>During a recent parent/dean phone conference, it was announced that a different site has been identified for the new science center, with the anticipated completion date of 2018 unchanged.</p>

<p>Oh, I see. Thank you for the information!</p>

<p>Hi,
I’m applying to Amherst this fall and I would like to hear about the academic rigor at Amherst. I attend a competitive public high school (top 50) where numbers are everything and frankly it is a rather disheartening if not poisonous environment. Teachers are not that great either.</p>

<p>I don’t particularly want to attend a school where it’ll be a repeat of my high school. I don’t want to be stuck in my room from afternoon to midnight studying 7 days a week. </p>

<p>While I am not an All-As-Forever-And-Always snob I am disappointed in myself the few times I get Bs. I want to attend a school where the amount of work I put in will give me good results. I have good study habits and am willing to put in the time, but as mentioned before I don’t particularly want to have to spend hours and hours in order to get an A.</p>

<p>Thanks for your time!</p>

<p>Oh, and if it helps any I’m a prospective English major looking to law school for the future. However Id appreciate responses for within my projected major as well as the general academic trends here. Thank you again!</p>

<p>Amherst is a very rigorous school. You get out of higher education what you put in, so do expect to invest a lot of time working in order to be successful. That being said, students here typically have free time on fridays and saturdays to relax by hanging out with friends or going to parties etc. Also remember that in college you are not in class “full time” like in high school, so although you have a lot of work, you have a lot more time to do it. Then of course it just becomes a matter of time management. The English department here is pretty incredible. As for the whole “numbers” and grades fear that you have, you’ll notice that once you get into college (at least here) everyone is in the same boat. You all worked hard to get in, but now your education is in your own hands, and you do what you need to do. “As” aren’t as important as actually becoming passionate about what you’re studying. There are classes here where you will put hours and hours or work in and not get an A, but that’s not the point, or at least shouldn’t be.</p>

<p>Is Amherst a good choice only for humanities/social sciences or is it a good choice for sciences too ( especially Chemistry). Does it match/better Williams or other similar LACs in this aspect?</p>

<p>Circuitrider–I am confused by your STEM comment. Can you expand on Amherst’s Math program? Does Amherst have abstract math?</p>

<p>Enonimouse - I think all small colleges face similar dilemma when it comes to large topics like English, Biology, History etc: what to include among the 30 or so courses offered over the space of a year - and what not to. It is especially daunting in a department like Math where branches grow like trees and no undergraduate anywhere can possibly learn everything there is to know about all of them in four years. The question always is, how far do you cast your net? Is a casual acquaintance with a lot of topics really superior to the laser-like, deep focus on just a few? A look at how different departments approach the problem can be instructive.</p>

<p>In Amherst’s case, the first thing I noticed about the Math faculty were the rather large number of visiting professors on its roster: six out of fifteen. Compare that to 3 out of 19 at Williams and only one out of fifteen at Wesleyan (the complete Wesleyan roster includes its Computer Science faculty - five in all - but, for these purposes I’m only including its mathematicians.) What this tells me is that either an unusually large cohort of Mathematics faculty suddenly went on sabbatical, or perhaps that’s Amherst’s way of introducing new topics to the curriculum. It bears watching.</p>

<p>In terms of leaning towards theoretical or applied mathematics, Amherst seems to prefer a little bit of everything. Even among the visiting faculty, there seems to be no one common research topic that links them. Contrast that to Williams with its very clear emphasis on Statistics or with Wesleyan’s support of Topology through the doctoral level. It really depends on what you are looking for.</p>

<p>I’m a recent graduate of Amherst College. I haven’t been on this forum in forever but i’ll try to answer a few questions.</p>

<p>In regards to the science center, it was put on hold due to the outrageous costs from building it in a less-than-ideal location that would require custom construction components and was heavily pushed by several individuals until they finally admitted that it was not feasible. While they are still determining a location to build this new state-of-the-art science center, they “state” that it will still be ready by 2018. </p>

<p>Despite knowing that I wanted to pursue biology, I passed up Swarthmore and Cornell because 1) I liked the location better and 2) I heard that the type of relationship you develop with your professors at Amherst is incredible. By junior year, I was on a first name basis with all of my professors in the bio department (and many more in the other departments as well) and got to know them each extremely well. During my courses, I felt that I had gained a very strong understanding of the material and if I was EVER unsure, I knew I could always go to my professor and talk to him/her about it. At least for biology, office hours seemed to be a mere formality as the door was typically open whenever the professor had free time. They genuinely love teaching here.</p>

<p>In terms of the academic rigor, I will echo what Amherst017 said in that you can put in hours and hours of work and still not get an A in a course but that’s partially due to the caliber of students surrounding you. Science courses are curved here and yes, technically you are competing with them to get an A, but never once did I feel my classmates become competitive with me. Often times, you have a group of friends with whom you study and everyone is very receptive of helping out others in their class. I personally received help from an upperclassman on a bio lab who spent over an hour working with me and I had never talked to him before that day. But he’s now at Harvard Medical School lol so he may be an exception. </p>

<p>I was premed and am currently interviewing at medical schools (couple top 20’s right now, waiting to hear from others). I scored a 40 on my MCAT (out of 45), which to put in perspective is the 99.5-99.6 percentile. I’m not saying that to brag, but to let you know that caliber of students at this school because I was still a 3.6-3.7 GPA student even though I definitely worked hard here. I will admit that I made some mistakes early on in terms of scheduling too many difficult courses in the same semester/year that certainly made things more difficult for myself but the science courses here are rigorous. I believe that out of all the students this past year who graduated Summa Cum Laude which was around ~40, only about 4 of them came from the natural sciences, partially due to the GPA requirement. Still, I also had friends who studied about 1/4 of the amount I did and had 3.8-3.9 GPA’s so don’t let my personal grading experience deter you from here. I’m just letting you know that it is not necessarily easy to cruise to an A here.</p>

<p>I do whole-heartedly agree with Amherst017 in that A’s are not super important but what is important is finding your passion. I was a bio major and was initially unsure after my first bio course but in the mid level courses, I started to truly enjoy it and in the upper ones, I lost track of time learning about certain topics. Don’t get me wrong, I also had a social life too as I was an athlete but I was pleasantly surprised to find that many students, but not all, take classes because they are genuinely interested in them.</p>

<p>In regards to sciences, I don’t know how well Williams or other LAC’s match, but Amherst does very well. Many apply to medical school and do pretty well. Couple of my friends are now at Icahn (Mount Sinai), Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Rochester, and Dartmouth medical schools. Others are conducting their PhD’s at Harvard, Yale, and Columbia as well as MPH’s at similar institutions which is incredible considering how small our institution is. Specific for Chemistry, the only person whose plans I know for this year is starting her PhD at Yale. Ultimately, it comes down to how hard you work and how passionate you are for you field. Amherst is very well known to graduate level institutions and will certainly signal to these schools that you have had a very strong undergraduate learning experience. Whether it’s “better” than Williams or other LAC’s, no one can really say but Amherst certainly will not hurt your chances.</p>

<p>I will say that after attending several interviews for medical school and talking with other prospective students, I’ve heard of ~500 person lectures, scantron exams, and competitive environments that just make me even more grateful for my education at Amherst. I hope this rant has been helpful to some of you and I’ll do my best to address any other questions that you may have, although hopefully I’ll be a little busy with the medical school interview season lol</p>

<p>Amherst017, thank you so much for your reply! After more research I’m not so worried about misogyny specifically at Amherst.</p>

<p>PKWsurf21, your rant was really helpful! Thanks for giving a fresh perspective on things. I’d like to ask you a question, though-- would you say that Amherst students are generally politically aware and intellectually curious?</p>

<p>Can I ask something? I might be completely off but from what I have heard that Amherst doesnt really accept Pakistani international students? Like several students from my school who have been accepted to Harvard were rejected by Amherst? Can you enlighten me as to what is the real issue at hand? Because I would love to apply here but my counselor says its a waste of money.</p>

<p>Could you tell a bit about science courses at Amherst? How large are the intro classes? Thanks so much for all the information btw :)</p>

<p>@muneebrocks you should ask Amherst about that, although I’m almost confident that it has nothing to do with Pakistan in particular. Admissions can be very random.</p>

<p>Oceanaid, a/to ‘rant’ is

  1. To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave
  2. speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.
  3. Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
  4. A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence</p>

<p>PKWsurf’s review of Amherst was close to the opposite of a rant. Thought I’d clear that up before you take the SAT’s or write a college essay.</p>

<p>In fairness to Oceanaid, PKW calls his post a rant. Since it’s not, maybe we should picture PKW smiling when he says it. :)</p>

<p>@Maudline -
I really enjoyed the sciences classes while at Amherst. The lecture courses early on may deter some students from wanting to major in science but once you get to a smaller class, it becomes a great experience. </p>

<p>Intro classes get up to ~100-120 people for biology and chemistry. During lecture, which is typically 3 days a week (MWF for 50 minutes each) everyone is attending or supposed to be attending lol. It is certainly large compared to any other course you’ll take at Amherst and honestly, it’s not super enjoyable just because it is a professor dumping information on you. Sometimes they try to make it a little more interactive by having questions that students have to answer using a remote clicker and then discussing why students picked each answer but for the most part, lecture is a lecture. There are discussion groups that you are broken up into for chemistry that meet once a week. Typically that involved taking a quiz of some sort and also asking questions about the problem set that we were assigned. I don’t believe biology had this discussion group, only chem. </p>

<p>Labs are typically for 3 hours and are every week. You typically skim/read the lab experiment ahead of time and submit a “pre-lab” which demonstrates that you have in fact read the experimental procedure. I think it really depended on the student whether or not he/she enjoyed lab. I personally liked it but some students hated doing it. Regardless, it’s a required component of many intro courses.</p>

<p>We usually have 3 midterms throughout the semester and then a final exam at the end. Some courses are cumulative in their final exam, like organic chemistry, while others are not, like intro biology courses. They are graded on a curve for the most part. Exams are certainly challenging. Based on what my friends at other schools have told me/what I’ve seen from their exams, Amherst really pushes you to apply the basic principles of what you learned to a brand new idea and see how are able to work through that. I realize that many schools say the same thing, but I truly believe that Amherst provides very challenging questions and are not just asking you to replicate what you did on an old problem set. One good thing about that was it made the MCAT questions seem very simple and easy, especially the organic chemistry component.</p>

<p>Upper level courses are where this school really shines and the largest class for bio after the intro courses was ~30 students but most of mine were ~15-20. Seminars were ~10. For the most part, these professors aren’t the best a lecturing to a large audience but really excel in a small class setting where they can really probe your mind. In fact, that’s why most of the professors chose to teach at Amherst, because they didn’t want to just lecture. They truly want to get to know YOU. In one class, we did not have any “exams” but instead had to provide a 25 minute presentation on a paper that we were assigned, present to the professor 1-on-1 and then get grilled with questions from him for the next 30 minutes. But I enjoyed that style so much because the professor got to know me very well through that personal assessment. And it really taught me how to read scientific papers well.</p>

<p>If there’s anything else specific you’d like to know, send me a pm and i’ll do the best I can to explain based on my experiences</p>

<p>@ Oceanaid -
I would say as a whole, people at Amherst are pretty politically aware. There’s always discussions going on among students about politics in general and I think many students here pride themselves in keeping current with what is going on and being able to provide their own analysis. When you walk into the dining hall for breakfast, vast majority of students are either reading the NYTimes or Wall Street Journal and some others even reading the economist. Obviously some choose to not partake in this but if that is something you are interested in, you will have no problem finding many others with whom to have these discussions.</p>

<p>Intellectual curiosity is a little tougher to generalize. I would say that certain majors attract students that have a greater amount of curiosity than others, at least in the academic sense of the phrase. The sciences typically have a decent amount of students who are curious and are attending guest lectures/seminars and even discussing interesting papers they read in class with others who are not in that class. Many science students also end up writing a senior thesis which is a sign of intellectual curiosity, though some are also doing this to have a stronger “research background” for their future career paths (cough cough medical school cough). Also many political science and LJST majors also choose to write a thesis, if the department approves them. </p>

<p>Still, I should say that even if students aren’t trying to learn in the academic sense, they are still researching and learning about other things that they find interesting. Very few econ majors write a thesis despite it being one of the largest majors but many of them are still actively seeking knowledge about the economy and business/finance on their own because that is where their interests lie. </p>

<p>There are certainly students here who choose solely to just go to class for the sake of getting good grades and are uninterested in the material, but they are certainly in the minority and like I stated earlier, you should have no problem findings other who share you intellectual curiosity.</p>

<p>How does the Physics course work? How big are the lecture sizes and what research opportunities are available?</p>

<p>PKWsurf21, thank you for putting the time into that long description. My D just came back from DIVOH and I gave her your post to read. She had sat in on 2 classes, a history of science class called ‘doctors and disease’ and a 200 level French class called something like ‘lang and lit’. She loved a lot about Amherst, even the food which doesn’t have a great rep and she’s a vegetarian. Dorms were beautiful etc. She liked the classes but felt the participation by other students was pretty tepid. In the history of science class the prof said to her and the other pre-frosh who was auditing that he thought they were enjoying the class more than the enrolled students! What do you think about that? Possible that this is one of the larger classes you were describing? and are Amherst students usually engaged and curious about their studies?</p>

<p>@honeybee63 It really depends on the class and the group of students that end up taking it. In the freshman seminar class I’m taking, the professor has a hard time getting kids to stop talking, simply because everyone is really passionate about the material and eager to engage in interesting discussions. By contrast, some of my friends have complained that they are literally the only ones to participate in class. I’m only a freshman, but I’d guess that upper level courses dedicated to specific majors probably have a higher concentration of students interested in the course material and more stimulating discussions as a result. Factors like the quality of the professor, time of day, etc. all play an important role as well. Also, a lot of people had midterm tests and papers this week and the week prior. I can’t speak for everyone, but over the past two weeks or so, simply staying awake in class after averaging ~4 hours a night from all the studying for midterms, school activities, and (not) letting loose on Friday and Saturday nights took priority over making a huge effort to participate in class.</p>

<p>With that said, I’m glad your daughter enjoyed her weekend here and good luck regarding college apps! If she’s like most seniors, she’ll probably worry more than she should, but she (and every other applicant) should know that things usually end up working out some way or another.</p>