<p>Story’s on front page of Yahoo news now. </p>
<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_us/princeton_racism_charges[/url]”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_us/princeton_racism_charges</a></p>
<p>cnn has the same thing
<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/01/22/princeton.racism.charge.ap/index.html[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/01/22/princeton.racism.charge.ap/index.html</a></p>
<p>they copy each other word to word 
nvm they copy from the AP.</p>
<p>Umm…kateapollo…I’m pretty sure that your use of “uppity” is a glaringly racist comment. </p>
<p>“Uppity” originated as an adjective for slaves who were acting above their place…I believe the phrase is “uppity n*****.”</p>
<p>For some etymology, look here: <a href=“http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uppity[/url]”>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uppity</a> and <a href=“uppity | Search Online Etymology Dictionary”>uppity | Search Online Etymology Dictionary;
<p>And, for an editorial about common day use of the term “uppity,” refer here: <a href=“http://media.www.thehilltoponline.com/media/storage/paper590/news/2006/01/24/Editorials/The-Uppity.Negro.Issue-1502759.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thehilltoponline.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com[/url]”>http://media.www.thehilltoponline.com/media/storage/paper590/news/2006/01/24/Editorials/The-Uppity.Negro.Issue-1502759.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thehilltoponline.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com</a>.</p>
<p>Seriously, you disgust me.</p>
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<p>Hmm. Your response surprised me. I did not seek to offend, and I sincerely regret having upset some readers. By using an unbelivably racist, historically sensitive word, I hoped to lampoon racism by showing it at its most outrageous. I embraced racist language in order to strangle it. At its worst, the use of the word was a bad joke; at its best, it provoked serious thought about issues of race, fairness and diversity.</p>
<p>Just taking a cue from the Daily Princetonian here. I didn’t mean to offend, truly, therefore, it can’t be taken seriously as offensive. Also, I am also a minority, therefore, I can totally be expected to understand the seriousness of racism towards minorities in general.</p>
<p>Toodles. <a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/01/19/news/17133.shtml[/url]”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/01/19/news/17133.shtml</a></p>
<p>zspot9,</p>
<p>I can’t quite tell if you are being satirical or not, but if you’re being dead serious, I think you’re a shining example of a double standard where any slander or libel against Asians is a “harmless joke”, but a slight against blacks calls for immediate retribution. Not that I am not without great sympathy for blacks who have to endure people calling them all sorts of epithets, but people are excessively cold towards the suffering of Asians when it comes to the same thing.</p>
<p>poor asians. it must be heartbreaking to have to endure being over-represented at top universities and in top professions.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516680[/url]”>http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516680</a></p>
<p>interesting.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ivygateblog.com/blog/2007/01/princetonian_joke_issue_shows_knack_for_subtle_social_commentary.html[/url]”>http://www.ivygateblog.com/blog/2007/01/princetonian_joke_issue_shows_knack_for_subtle_social_commentary.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/2007/01/tomorrows_campu.html?p1=email_to_a_friend[/url]”>http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/2007/01/tomorrows_campu.html?p1=email_to_a_friend</a></p>
<p><a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost;
<p><a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/01/22/opinion/17143.shtml[/url]”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/01/22/opinion/17143.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.racialicious.com/2007/01/22/the-daily-princetons-rosie-carolla-defense-of-lian-ji-op-ed/[/url]”>http://www.racialicious.com/2007/01/22/the-daily-princetons-rosie-carolla-defense-of-lian-ji-op-ed/</a></p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Seriously, guppy, I thought you said (twice was it?) that you were done with this “annoying” and “pointless” thread. </p>
<p>So besides thinking that 1. any offense Asians might feel is solely due to unsavory <em>hidden</em> motivations, and 2. that just because you’re black you have some special perspective on all types of racial issues, and 3. that good and conductive discussions require “evidence” and “respect” despite you not showing any respect to Asian Americans’ concerns and you not providing any evidence whatsoever of their “cover up” in regards to Jian Li, what other remarkably stupid and hypocritical comments do you care to contribute? </p>
<p>How did you get into Princeton again?</p>
<p>The problem with this rather weak attempt at satirical humor is that it DOESN’T do what good and EFFECTIVE satirical humor does with regard to racial stereotypes - poke fun at the people who believe in such stereotypes and/or show that such stereotypes are, inherently, false.</p>
<p>In this case - the attempt at satire does neither and rather just reinforces the stereotypes (which is especially problematic since there really is no counterbalancing images in the media).</p>
<p>However, this weak-attempt at “Asian humor” isn’t the first at Ivy League papers/journals.</p>
<p>From Yale Rumpus’ “Me Love You Long Time” and Herald.</p>
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<p>What these supposedly bright and intelligent “comedic” writers don’t realize is that repeating these stereotypes, even in a mocking manner, just REINFORCES these stereotypes (plus, I’m sure the female Asian-Am students, such as those at Princeton, are just thrilled with the continued affirmation of sexual stereotypes, esp. since a Princeton student was arrested a couple of years ago for preying on Asian women - cutting off locks of their hair and pouring his urine and semen into the drinks of Asian female students over 50 times).</p>
<p>Take the case of another racial “satire” gone wrong from Tufts with regard to African-Americans.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/12/11/tufts_editor_apologizes_for_satire_aimed_at_affirmative_action/[/url]”>http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/12/11/tufts_editor_apologizes_for_satire_aimed_at_affirmative_action/</a></p>
<p>At least the publication did issue an apology - unlike the editors at the Rumpus which pretty much defended their article as a “joke.”</p>
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<p>Wow - an “intelligent” and “well-thought” out and researched post that isn’t at all simplistic.</p>
<p>While yes - Asian-Ams are “overrepresented” at top universities and certain professions - that doesn’t mean that Asian-Ams don’t face bias and prejudice and “succeed” in spite of such biases and prejudices.</p>
<p>Asian-Ams, while making up over 4% of the pop., make up about 17% of the Ivy League student body, Jews, making up less than 2% of the pop. make up about a QUARTER of the Ivy League student body (not to mention making up significant % of certain professions) - does that mean that Jews are even more “over-represented” or something else?</p>
<p>And despite achieving some success in attaining a higher level of education - US Census data shows that Asian-Ams (particularly males) have a LOWER median income than their white male counterparts of the SAME education level - yeah, it is “heartbreaking.”</p>
<p>And despite epiph’s “rationalization” of the lower % of the student body at Princeton comprising of Asian-Ams - remember that Princeton, unlike Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc., still refuses to acknowledge that it had a quota system with regard to Jewish applicants.</p>
<p>guppy8888,</p>
<p>I wrote a letter to the Editor expressing my feelings about Mahtani’s article.</p>
<p>I’m kind of disappointed at his obvious lack of research.</p>
<p>Yield is not “rationalization.” Rather, referring to matriculation rather than offered acceptances is manipulating the numbers to one’s own agenda.</p>
<p>kateapollo: I can stay on this thread as long as I like. You have no right to tell me if I’m not welcome, because I am not the one being completely disrespectful. </p>
<p>Who is the one who called me racially insensitive, and uppity? In fact, I could call you out and get mad at you. But NO YOU WERE MAKING A JOKE. Even though it was a bad one. Do you get my point? </p>
<p>No, obviously not. </p>
<p>I think your response was ridiculous considering I am trying to give a balance perspective. I simply posted a link with an article, and you respond with this:</p>
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<p>a little extreme. a little ** uppity ** perhaps?</p>
<p>and as for how I got into princeton, i would love to tell you but obviously no matter what I say is important because you are bitter that you didnt get in. well i look forward to going to princeton, because i get to talk to educated people.</p>
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<p>I personally find it “annoying” and “pointless” that someone who calls a thread “annoying” and “pointless” and says twice that they will stop posting on it continues to post on it. Like a fly drawn to light. </p>
<p>As for disrespectful, again, I find your completely off-the-wall remark that the only reason Asians are offended by the piece is because they’re “covering up” for something else is completely disrespectful and insulting. Again, you’ve replied to this thread, but you haven’t addressed this major point in the slightest. Care to elaborate?</p>
<p>Oh, and “uppity” doesn’t bother me because I’m not black.</p>
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<p>LOL, now where did that come from? I’m a solidly West Coast person and I didn’t even apply to Princeton. I was accepted to UCLA, Berkeley (my alma mater) and Stanford (Berk was cheaper, admittedly), and that made me perfectly happy. Isn’t it a little stretch to think, “Aha! Any person who criticizes me MUST be bitter because they didn’t get into Princeton! What a clever girl I am! I also think because Asians are offended at a piece that openly mocks them, they MUST be secretly covering up for something else!”</p>
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<p>The whole point of my choosing the word “uppity,” actually was to prove my own point. I’ll admit I was waiting for someone to make a stink over the racial context of the word so I could post a variation of the pathetic “apology” given by the Daily Princetonian. You know, just to give some perspective. I’m afraid you don’t catch irony as aptly as I’d hoped.</p>
<p>I doubt that if Princeton had been sued by, say, a Dea’Shawn Smith, and the Prince published a fake op ed using tired stereotypes highlighting watermelon-eating, welfare-living, eight-children-having and projects-occupying black folk, all written in gangsta slang or slave-era “Mammy” speak, you’d be telling people that they’re overreacting. </p>
<p>Can you imagine if the above happened and an Asian or other minority presumptiously told you that you’re overreacting and the outrage and offense over the article was in fact a cover up for the insecurities of black people in general?</p>
<p>LOL. You are pathetic, and yes, that’s getting personally disrespectful.</p>
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<p>Sure. My point was, which I think you misinterpreted, was not as if Asains were “covering up” as in some conspiracy, but the fact that they are more offended by the stereotypes in the peice (which are stupid and trivial in the sense they are so ridiculous that it is not even worth to be taken seriously: AND the peice was, as mentioned by both the Harvard Crimson and Daily Prince, was making fun of stereotypes themselves) then discussing the actual subject of the peice: Jian Li. </p>
<p>“Covering up” was a poor word choice—I meant that * critics * not just Asains (even though they make up the majority of the critics, which makes sense) are deflecting from the actual subject of satire.</p>
<p>Jian Li doesnt have any relationship with the stereotypes. The article was not funny or witty even. But considering the publication apologized and that they tried to make a point about Jian Li (even though it was not successful), i think there should be some credit given to DP. </p>
<p>I made my point about humor and satire not because the peice was funny but because in general its no fun if there was a huge controversity everytime SNL aired–whats the point, then, of even making jokes? </p>
<p>I think one reason I have a more forgiving and favorable tilt to the article than others is because I completely disagree with the prupose of Jian Li’s lawsuit, and I welcomed the satire. I personally disgree with the lawsuit because not only are Asains overrepresented at Pton for whatever reasons, JL sued the school on the basis of being racist, which is not fair.</p>
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<p>Satire is defensible. However, the article was extremely poorly written satire. It depended wholly on Jian Li’s Asian ethnicity for its “jokes.” Yes, Jian Li is Asian. Yes, he sued Princeton because of what he felt was racially-based discrimination. So… that means its time to break out the dog-eating jokes? The broken Engrish? The references to laundry and railroads?</p>
<p>What happened to satirizing a jerk for being a jerk, and not for being a certain race? You can satirize and mock and insult a person for their personality. But going after their ethnicity so eagerly and so sneeringly is NOT defensible or favorable. </p>
<p>What if a black person sued Pton and you completely disagreed with the purpose of his lawsuit? Would you “welcome” any satire retreading stereotypes about his being black in the Daily Princetonian, too? If the “jokes” brought up fried chicken and stealing and being in prison, would you have a “favorable” tilt towards the article, because, after all, you disagreed with the person’s lawsuit in the first place? Would you welcome this sort of racially-centered “satire”, even if it were a black person?</p>
<p>Disagreeing with someone is understandable and defensible. You completely disagree with Jian Li. Fair enough. Retaliating at that someone by targeting their race, however, is completely indefensible. It’s cheap and low to the very core. I have a huge problem with you welcoming this sort of “satire” when I’m not sure you would do the same if your own race were on the receiving end. </p>
<p>By the way, for anyone who’s interested: <a href=“http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/Tje/EspenshadeSSQPtII.pdf[/url]”>http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/Tje/EspenshadeSSQPtII.pdf</a></p>
<p>Remember those police officers who satirized police brutality against blacks by whaling on Rodney King? Boy did that make us re-examine our prejudices.</p>
<p>Is “satire” going to be the new buzzword for racist pseudo-intellectuals who give themselves mental handjobs, picturing themselves to be modern day Jonathan Swifts?</p>
<p>kateapollo and guppy8888, calm down! No need to get heated up about this topic.</p>
<p>The part that really offended me was “Brown people are catching up, too but not before the 2008 Beijing Olympics.” We are so gonna destroy them in '08.</p>
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<p>Erm, India won one medal in Athens; China won sixty-three. Haha, sorry, no offense. Most Indians I know are at least above average athletic-wise, but sports doesn’t seem to be much of a priority yet in the home country. But with the right effort and programs, I’m sure India could one day become an athletic powerhouse.</p>
<p>I wasn’t serious…but thanks for the encouragement. My allegiance really goes to Canada, and, of course, the US (the two countries I’ve actually lived in). Those two put together will totally blow China away.</p>