Heavy.com has a lot of details, including officer’s name, she has only lived there a month, his door was locked and she was trying to use her key to open door and then he opened the door. She actually lives on a different floor. No indication that they had met before or any personal dispute leading up to this.
I am just wondering, if you heard someone trying a key in your lock, would you open the door? Call 911? Did he look through the peephole and see a cop? Did the door have a peephole?
@rockvillemom: Good points. Also, did the door have a chain lock so that the door could be opened just a few inches .
Probably the most plausible explanation for mistaking his apartment for hers, if she lived in an apartment above or below him. The building may have every floor laid out identically, so that if she took the elevator and got off on the wrong floor, she could walk the same way to “her” apartment that was not actually hers. Though if the red carpet in front of the door was there before the incident, that should have been a noticeable difference.
Not clear from the images and videos. If there is a peephole, it would be part of the door knocker.
@publisher --I did not miss your point. I think it could have been worded differently. It made it sound like a dispute, rather than one person bearing all the blame. I get that’s not what you meant, but whatever.
“But whatever” – try reading the posts first before criticizing another. And if you did not misunderstand, then we really live in different worlds.
Not sure it matters but this apartment building has electronic key fobs, not a metal key
So, Amber Guyger shot another guy just last year. She’s been on the job less than 5 years and has already shot two people. The overwhelming majority of cops go an entire career without ever discharging their weapon.
Hiring and promotion standards have been lowered way too far, a common complaint among veteran police officers. She is an incompetent.
When I was a law student, a psychologist working on his PhD lived above me. He was working as a police psychologist. He told me that the thoughts of the police officers whom he counseled/had in therapy really scared & shocked him.
Being a police officer has to be an incredibly stressful occupation. Not an excuse for an unjustified killing, however.
@SatchelSF With more disrespect/animosity directed toward law enforcement, fewer people are applying for those jobs. Fewer qualified applicants, the lower the standards. There’s also pressure to hire minorities (including women). I fear it’s a downward spiral. Remember the cop in Minnesota that shot a woman in her PJ’s that had called 911?
@3scoutsmom - I totally agree with you. I have immediate and extended family members who have recently retired from urban police forces and none of them stayed even a day past twenty years.
Oh and I sure do remember the Minnesota cop who shot the woman. He had been celebrated just a few months before as a special hire in a number of newspapers. Front page.
Is that necessarily any more true now than before? During the crime wave era, some local police departments had horrible reputations of ineffectiveness (against crime), corruption, racism, etc… Of course, there is now more news than several years ago about complaints about police racial profiling and the like, but that does not mean that the stuff being complained about was absent previously.
For example, the New Orleans Police Department has a long history of trouble: http://theconversation.com/the-new-orleans-police-department-was-troubled-long-before-hurricane-katrina-46381 . The Los Angeles Police Department in the 1980s and 1990s had a poor reputation even before the Rodney King incident.
From the Dallas Police Department:
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2013/09/23/editorial-dallas-finally-apologizes-40-years-after-police-officer-murdered-boy
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2009/11/28/Police-informant-in-Dallas-fake-8985
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-will-pay-11-million-to-man-jailed-for-15-months-after-police-beating-7113472
Posters have every reason to be outraged at the unnecessary death of this gentleman. But to suggest at this point that this was more than a terrible mistake by the cop seems irresponsible. No evidence has been released that suggests otherwise. She will assuredly pay for her poor judgement with her freedom, probably for a very long time. One life full of potential has been lost, another one will never be the same, and loved ones who will be impacted forever - nothing good here.
Yes, @ucbalumnus, it has been quite a lot worse over the last decade. Can you ever recall POTUS getting involved and telling the country that a local PO had acted “stupidly” prior to the last one? I can’t.
Sorry I don’t think there is any more than normal animosity towards cops. There are more cameras and cops are being held accountable for their actions and some of them don’t like that.
@3scoutsmom, do you mean that police officers who are members of minority groups or are women are part of the downward spiral?
Re: #48 and #52
Historical polling suggests that public confidence in police varies in a relatively narrow range:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/213869/confidence-police-back-historical-average.aspx
Even the lower levels of confidence in police are higher than typical levels of confidence in most other institutions:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/212840/americans-confidence-institutions-edges.aspx
@ucbalumnus I agree that there have always been problems but in recent years it seems it’s been much more polarized and published thanks to social media. In many areas if someone supports law enforcement instead of opposing it they are called racist. All Lives Matter has been condemned as racist and Blue Lives Matter is considered even worse.
I would not be supportive of my children going into law enforcement in this current climate. It seems like a no win situation. I stand by my comment that the fewer the applicants, the lower the standards and likely more horrible incidents. Which will result in more (rightfully deserved) outrage, which will result in even less qualified people entering law enforcement… rinse and repeat…
@rosered55 Not ALL women or ALL minorites but yes I think some of them are. This is the second time this women has shot someone in 5 years and the Minesota officer was “fast tracked” to increase minortity presence.
Source: http://www.startribune.com/you-asked-we-answered-the-charges-against-mohamed-noor/477672403/
I agree that the fewer the applicants, the lower the standards. I am confused, however, by the wording that suggests that having minority members and women as police officers also lowers the standards. I don’t think that’s true.
I hope you aren’t saying standards are going down because they are recruiting a more diverse force