<p>Good point UC_Benz
Also do you remember when Bill Clinton proposed private accounts and the democrats supported them and now Bush is proposing them and the democrats act as if it is the worst decision ever?</p>
<p>Heck, I’d be bitter too if I got smashed in the election like Kerry did. Did you also know that Kerry, by his own account, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer, and he further stands in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution.</p>
<p>And to think that liberals supported this man? Their party must really be down and out.</p>
<p>Right, and unlike Bush who chickened out of serving in Vietnam, Kerry enlisted and acutally fought valiantly ( and I know even hacks like you guys don’t believe the GOP sponsored Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) in a dangerous war.
And Bush is the one who violated pracitcally every unwritten law of diplomacy.
Argue points that you can substantiate.</p>
<p>In 1971, the New York Sun (a liberal media) reported that the pro-Hanoi anti-war group that presidential candidate John Kerry was principal leader and spokesman of debated and voted down a plot to assassinate U.S. Senators who supported the Vietnam War.</p>
<p>And in 1971, Bush spent most of the year in a drunken stupor. Whats your point?</p>
<p>I think the fact that Iraqis are already voting speaks for itself how Irag is progressing. They looked happy enough to me pointing their purple index fingers.</p>
<p>If you don’t know what a rhetorical question is, it means I never had any intention of discussing Kerry’s record because it speaks for itself. You and I both know that. uc_benz</p>
<p>Heck, I’d be bitter too if I got smashed in the election like Kerry did. Did you also know that Kerry, by his own account, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer, and he further stands in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution. uc_benz</p>
<p>So first you decide not to talk about Kerrys record but THEN you decide to talk about it. Stop being a hypocrite and accuse democrats of flip-flopping while you yourself are doing so in this debate. </p>
<p>Wow, I’d probably just leave the country if I violated that much stuff. It must suck to be him. He violated those and Ted Kennedy was a murderer who never got any punishment.</p>
<p>BCgoUSC, you havent made any response to my last post responding to you. You are definitely a flip-flopper, so stop being a hypocrite. Just yesterday we were talking about Cheneys records. Now you are diverting topics and now talking about Kerry. Lets face it, both you and uc_benz chickened out when talking about Cheneys votes. And where the hell did Bill Clinton come from?</p>
<p>Dont you agree, tabletennis?</p>
<p>Right, and unlike Bush who chickened out of serving in Vietnam, Kerry enlisted and acutally fought valiantly ( and I know even hacks like you guys don’t believe the GOP sponsored Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) in a dangerous war.
And Bush is the one who violated pracitcally every unwritten law of diplomacy.
Argue points that you can substantiate.</p>
<p>And you guys admire our soldiers? Bush is just a chicken as tabletennis said, JUST FACE IT!! Kerry fought valiantly, unlike many conservative who just talks but can do anything.</p>
<p>So if both you guys have guts, leave my suspicions UNANSWERED!!!</p>
<p>Uc_benz, remember when I made all these accusations about the 34 scandals? You said that they are pointless, as they have not been PROVEN. So why be a hypocrite again when you said:</p>
<p>In 1971, the New York Sun (a liberal media) reported that the pro-Hanoi anti-war group that presidential candidate John Kerry was principal leader and spokesman of debated and voted down a plot to assassinate U.S. Senators who supported the Vietnam War.</p>
<p>Were all these BS proven? Why mention them? Whats you point? NOTHING!! So I rest my case.</p>
<p>Everybody in this country is innocent until PROVEN guilty. So I advise you to do some google search for credible information. Please stop flip-flopping and accuse others of the same problems you yourself have displayed in this debate.</p>
<p>“I think the fact that Iraqis are already voting speaks for itself how Irag is progressing. They looked happy enough to me pointing their purple index fingers.”</p>
<p>They voted, but now what? Ther isnt any form of democracy there still. THey voted in the shiites, the type who persecute women. I’d hardly call that democratic.
Maybe we should focus on the democracy in our own country rather than trying to spread an idealistic dream abroad.</p>
<p>I agree primitive future, they won’t substantiate their claims with any evidence.</p>
<p>Breaking News from the CBS News Desk:</p>
<p>Dan Rather is reporting that the Ohio recount is over, and John Kerry has won! Oh, what a monumental win! The New York Times is also confirming this story.</p>
<p>58 DAYS AGO, JOHN KERRY PROMISED TO SIGN FORM SF-180 & RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS. HAS HE? NO. WHAT’S WRONG JOHNNY BOY?</p>
<p>Its funny how you are impugning Kerry’s miltary record, espiecally since Dubya doesn’t have one.</p>
<p>uc_benz. you are such a loser. WE ALL KNOW THAT BUSH WON. there is no need to shove it in. Please reply to the accusations about Cheney!!! Stop diverting!! Provide credible information!!</p>
<p>It is becoming obvious that you have lost the debate. All you are here for is to crack jokes. There is no need to take you seriously any longer. If you want jokes, I can make fun of Bush in such a way that at least someone will laugh!!</p>
<p>Why pick on Kerry when you youself are no different? You are a hypocrite and you constantly flip-flop topics. Please address to many of the points i have made. Prove us wrong,buddy!!</p>
<p>Whoa…hold on, the Ohio recount is over? What happened to Al Sharpton, I thought he was going to “take care of it”.</p>
<p>BCgoUSC, it is obvious that you have lost this debate. Well if you here to make laughs let me repeat what Rumsfeld said in a press conference discussing the unknown nuclear threats against the United States:</p>
<p>Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we don’t know we don’t know."</p>
<p>Now this is funny!!! Better yet, its actually TRUE!!</p>
<p>If you have the balls to debate, I am willing to give you a second chance. All you need to do is stop constantly flip-flopping and stop diverting topics. Uc_benz, I had fun debating with you. I have made a historic victory. But I am still willing to give you a second chance. So step up to the plate and try to defend Bush all you can. Remember, GOOD ALWAYS BEATS EVIL, so all the excuses in the world wont save Bush.</p>
<p>BCgoUSC, after cheering from the sidelines, you were finally making really good points.Too bad my arguments made you chicken out.</p>
<p>It is a time for triumph where the democrats finally defeated the conservatives in this debate (as they always do). But in honor of the conservatives, I would like to list those who tried to defend Bush but failed and chickened out:</p>
<p>1.ElCommando
2.drownindreams
3.handsonthedash
4.wisconsinguy
5.bcp05
6.bluirinka
7.usna<em>reject
8.bullrider
9.BCgoUSc
10.uc</em>benz
11.seth blue</p>
<p>Sorry guys, its been a fun debate, but somebody had to win!!</p>
<p>Uc_benz (or BCgoUSc), being the flip-flopper you guys are, I know exactly what you guys are thinking now. This quote illustrates it:</p>
<p>“I was against Democrats but now I am FOR it.”</p>
<p>does it matter who won this debate??? you know who won the election and who is in the White House…win as many debates as you michael moore followers want to…but it aint changin the fact tht bush (elected with popular vote) is in the white house until 2008…whaaahheeehhaaaaa :p</p>
<p>Ha, but the Blue states are better than the Red states.</p>
<p>Wow, I guess every liberal is a Micheal Moore follower? If thats true, every conservative is a Rush Limaugh follower. It works both ways.</p>
<p>MR. RUSSERT: Many people whove been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians </p>
<p>SEN. KERRY: Id be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that werent even relevant to the record. So when we getIm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isnt in the record and well put it out. I have no problem with that.</p>
<p>MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?</p>
<p>SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim </p>
<p>MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?</p>
<p>SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.</p>
<p>What is Kerry hiding from?</p>
<p>Uc Benz has still not told me what military record Bush has (or does not have) that is better than that of Senator Kerrys.</p>
<p>forget about him tabletennis, he lost long ago. He doesnt know what’s he’s talking about!</p>