Dartmouth Parents Thread

<p>Thank you for (inadvertently) reinforcing my point, DF, in that you continue to attack neprt who is just a parent seeking feedback/comments.</p>

<p>While Post 616 was dismissive, in Post 620, you even suggest that the OP is lying or “twisting facts…” What would be the point, unless you think neprt is a ■■■■■? </p>

<p>CC is an open forum and anyone can post anywhere (as far as I know). But I just find it strange to attack a parent for his/her impression on a thread dedicated for parent’s impressions/comments…(not to mention how poorly it reflects on D and its students).</p>

<p>Sorry I don’t read a “tirade” by the neprt (but I also did not ace the SAT-CR), but I do see other posts that might fit the bill. :)</p>

<p>tirade: a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language. Source: Webster’s</p>

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<p>My S is a Dartmouth student. He doesn’t belong to a frat,drink, or attend their parties.
He is very happy with the college and has many friends Your S will find his friends in time. I can’t imagine getting a better education anywhere. The opportunities at Dartmouth are amazing from research opportunities to summer internships to publishing. He knew Dartmouth was for him after 5 minutes on the tour( he didn’t do Dimensions). He wanted a small college and loved the beautiful location. It’s all about finding the right fit. Good luck!</p>

<p>Forgive me if I gave the impression I did not enjoy my visit to Dartmouth. That was not it at all. The facilities were fantastic, the location lends to significant potential to take advantage of all the surrounding outdoors. The people on campus and off campus were friendly and engaging more so than I expected. How can you not like the downtown area for dinner, a multi floor bookstore, starbucks, even made it into the Inn for the parents meet and greet. I am excited about S prospects of student interaction with Professors, the research potential for underclassman, the D plan, the degrees offered and watching sports team. All very impressive. My S stayed with a host, attended classes, had some good meals with the guys, attended the events and pretty much disappeared for several days linking up with the occasional text. Had a great time. I appreciate the comments on the other options that are available. As a parent an open tap of free flowing beer makes me a bit uncomfortable even at three days a week. It would appear that DF may want to pass on to the frats they should recruit some economic majors then to help watch their bottom line and keep their dues down during these tough economic times. For now my S still has a list of schools to choose from of which Dartmouth is still in the mix and I eagerly await his decision.</p>

<p>neprnt, the school only provides alcohol at certain events which have nothing to do with Greek societies, and you need to provide ID to partake. There are some schools not particularly known for their drinking which do fund beer for student events, though (my girlfriend attends one of the Claremont colleges, where Greek life doesn’t exist, but the schools often fund open parties with alcohol – and they don’t card, much to my surprise).</p>

<p>I honestly wouldn’t worry about a free flow of beer – and yes, there is a free flow, since although parties are only really happening 2 to 3 nights a week, there’s a way for any student to get alcohol for free virtually any night they’d like (there’s almost always some Greek house that’s open). Despite that, students who don’t like drinking aren’t going to drink just because it’s available. And even students who like drinking care enough about their studies to only seriously drink when they don’t have something to worry about for the next day.</p>

<p>Personally, I think your son’s assessment hits on the nub of the issue – whether Greek life is for him. This is actually something that’s harder to figure out than you might think. It took me till the end of junior year to get any conclusive idea, and even then, if I could do it all over again, I’d probably rush as a sophomore. Greek life at Dartmouth is in many ways very different from and yet very similar to Greek life elsewhere. It’s a lot more open here, and it really creates a sense of community – it’s a good way to meet a lot of people. Yet I personally can’t stand most college parties, so that makes it difficult for me to enjoy most of the stereotypical Greek activities.</p>

<p>Greek life is a lot bigger than drinking – Dartmouth students aren’t alcoholics. A lot of people rush and pledge who otherwise don’t fit the Greek stereotype at all, and there are options for people to complete the pledge process without ever touching a drop of alcohol. The Greek system here is relatively inclusive, so as DartmouthForever said, I think 80 to 95% of people will be quite happy being in a house of some sort.</p>

<p>I realise I’m not necessarily helping you or your son directly in figuring out whether Dartmouth is for him. But I don’t think drinking is the key issue. As long as he’s comfortable being around people who drink, it’s mostly a non-issue. The question is more about culture and community on campus – how does Dartmouth compare to his other options? What kind of culture/community fits him best? (It’s all about fit – I don’t think one can say something like this is objectively better at one school than elsewhere. Personally I think Dartmouth’s culture and community are great for a lot of people, but even though I drink, it hasn’t been that great for me.)</p>

<p>As for the parent who thinks Dartmouth can’t drink that much more than other schools, I’m pretty sure we drink more than a school like Swarthmore or UChicago. Most colleges fall somewhere in between the two extremes. And obviously Dartmouth still can’t compare with a state school. I think boiling it down to the fact that “Most college-aged people drink, so drinking will be big at any college” winds up obscuring the differences in degree to which drinking/drinking-centred activities dominate campus culture.</p>

<p>I went to a parent’s event at the last Homecoming and was asked for ID (I’m in my late 40’s)…</p>

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<p>Your assumptions are laughable. Frats are notoriously loaded with econ majors who are the stereotypical i-banker wannabees. Moreover, students on FA are fully able to participate right now.</p>

<p>I’m with DartmouthForever on this. </p>

<p>My kid is a member of a frat at D. He never touched alcohol in HS, and is an introverted intellectual. He was so negatively disposed towards frats that he refused to consider Cornell because he saw some when we drove around, and flatly refused to consider Princeton because of the eating clubs. (FYI: The U of C has frats. A friend of mine’s son who was a member of one had to visit the hospital to get stitches after a fight at his.) I’m quite sure that S drinks. He is 21. I’m quite certain that he drank before he was 21. I’m also quite certain that he does not party 5 nights a week.</p>

<p>He has held various leadership roles at his frat, and it has been an avenue of personal growth for him. He would have been highly unlikely to consider pledging at most other schools. The scene at D is different.</p>

<p>It is true that as a parent I can only base my opinion on what I see and hear from my student. Alcohol does exist on campus, but to drink is a choice, and there are many students that pass on such choices. I think at Dartmouth for every student who is out partying, there are an equal or greater number at the library, or in labs working on assignments. </p>

<p>Hope to bump into you fellow '14 parents this weekend. Aloha -MPI</p>

<p>I appreciate DartmouthForever’s feedback and thought it was informative. To the OP - there are substance free dorms available on campus and housing groups to get involved in other than frats…read about East Wheelock. Another consideration about campus drinking to be aware of is that while at Dartmouth a lot of the drinking takes place at frats, at more urban Universities, most takes place off campus at clubs etc where there is a culture of everyone carrying a fake ID, not a great alternative. I guess your son just has to go with his gut as to which school he can envision himself involved in for four years. Once he makes the choice that he feels is right for him, he just has to stay true to himself and make good choices once he arrives on campus. Best wishes to him on his decision.</p>

<p>Been absent for awhile but getting ready for the Family Weekend. I registered awhile back; did anyone receive anything else in the mail about it or do they hand that out at registration?</p>

<p>—they had snow the other day. I planned on bringing spring clothes (from a hot climate), may need to re-think that one.</p>

<p>Right now the forecast for a possibility of rain on Friday, high of 3 ;Saturday and Sunday it’s sunny skies, a high of 57…not too warm but at least it’s not supposed to rain on the weekend. Might seem even cooler to you west coast folks!</p>

<p>Our freshman weekend there was a heat wave–for northern New England, anyway–and I was hard put to find suitable clothes in my suitcase! :slight_smile: My advice is, as always, to bring flexible layers.</p>

<p>Wow…high of 3? Eek! (Typo).</p>

<p>…did anyone get something ahead in the mail for the weekend, or do we pick up name tags/passes when we get there. Seems like I signed up so long ago.</p>

<p>PS: If anyone knows a senior graduating and selling a car, let me know. D has to look around for something.</p>

<p>You get the packet with everything when you get there. Last year you picked it up in Collis.</p>

<p>So, so sorry…a high of 53! :o)</p>

<p>For parents of undecided '15s, perhaps watch this welcome by President Jim Yong Kim on Dartmouth’s YouTube channel: [YouTube</a> - President Jim Yong Kim’s Welcome: Dimensions of Dartmouth 2011](<a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube)</p>

<p>THanks…can live with 53. Went to visit in Feb. and it was below 0, we even drove to Montreal where it was colder. </p>

<p>I guess I don’t need shorts …53 is cold where I live now…</p>

<p>Have a great time everyone going to Family Weekend!!</p>

<p>Thanks DMBH! We are packing up now for the 5,000 frequent flyer miles. Hope to see you at Collis on Friday evening.</p>