Dealing with inlaws

My DH and I give our married kids lots of freedom regarding where to spend the holidays. I have never guilted them about this. We choose not to focus on a specific day but rather on whenever we can all get together. So much less stress for everyone.

My sister-in-law and I came up with a system - every other year was a ‘Smith-family’ holiday (where we’d get together with my husbands family at Thanksgiving) and the other year was spent with our families (we’d be with my parents and extended family). This was very equitable and made everyone happy.

Some of these situations are truly SMH believable, but a bit how can someone behave this way and think they are being a good person/good human being (or most likely they don’t care about that or enough about that; they are so needy that they put themselves above examining their own bad and inappropriate behaviors).

Look at Leona and Harry Helmsley. She made him feel like a king, so he threw over a kind Quaker wife because Leona tricked him into thinking she was being courted by another man who could give her marriage.

Some people compartmentalize their life. Perhaps some long term affairs are at first the sex, but then the time they spend together is very compartmentalized. Business life versus personal life. Enjoy the thrill so much.

My MIL has said some dumb things and then also not spoken up when she should. Not sure if she meant to be unkind. BIL was engaged in college, and later his cigarette smoking obese wife (size 24-28 at marriage and beyond) was told by MIL some years later that she wondered what would have happened if BIL had married this gal that MIL liked. Another BIL married a gal that IMHO was a big risk (she dumped him early college time to play the field for years and then wanted back with him for marriage) - MIL didn’t believe marriage would last a year but said nothing to her son about her concerns. This DIL had an affair, then as soon as her H asked her what the h— was going on, she asked for a divorce, married the BF and had a kid together with 2nd H to cement the relationship (it is more warped than that, but those are the basics).

If MIL or FIL has said anything inappropriate to me, it has just gone in one ear and out the other. H would not confront his parents if something was amiss (unless it was so outrageous, but even then he would be an emotional wreck trying to confront), but when his brother was inappropriately using his linguistic abilities to say something unkind to me at my first visit (because he was jealous his brother had a GF), my H to be told him in a very firm voice to cut it out.

ILs have four sons, and three grand-daughters. I am a rock star for producing two grand-daughters that they adore. Plus I am the DIL that they have liked from the get-go (they probably thought this son would never get married, and they thought their son ‘married up’). I know how to get along. H and I were young and I didn’t have a lot of the personality and personal baggage the other 4 DILs have had, and the one son had a lousy 2nd wife who also cheated on him after 12 years of marriage and dumped him to marry the other guy, right after she got H to buy her a new car - similar to wife1 in cheating although the marriage to wife1 was under 8 years). This BIL helped raise W2’s sons, and these fellas still have a relationship with him because he was so good with/for them. The oldest GD who has a mother/dau relationship with grandma because the real mother is so wacko-needy and GD was truly secure and raised with stability of grandparents (grew up in same small town, so spent a lot of nights at grandparents’ house, even when parents were married). Grandma has a hard time saying anything negative or corrective for things this GD does, even moral situations that go against our faith, This GD is a delightful person, just has made some mistakes, and now is paying the price with having married someone that was married at the time she met him/started a relationship with him, and he now is having trouble being faithful to her, and in other areas he is not as good as she thought she was getting during courtship.

I have just realized that my family is very boring. :smiley:

It’s ok–many of us are grateful to have boring families and lives. :wink:

“To change topics briefly, for anyone who has hired caregivers for the elderly, how much bonus did you give them at the holiday time?”

@busyparent - I don’t have experience with caregivers for the elderly, but back when my kids were babies and we had live out nannies, we’d gift them one to two week’s worth of salary. They always seemed happy about it and we had no problems retaining them.

Honestly the ‘story line’ of BIL/SIL is almost unbelievable, like a soap opera. When I tell people the whole story, they find it quite out of the ordinary for sure. While the affair was going on DIL/W1, she was the principal of a catholic elementary school in a different town. Do as I say and not as I do.

We live away, so nuclear family lives are happily normal/boring :slight_smile:

I really don’t understand how so many MIL can say such outrageous things to DIL or SIL. This is the person your child PICKED and LOVES. I would not say things like that to the nasty lady in my neighborhood, much less my child’s partner. The only exception is if the DIL/SIL was intentionally hurting my child.

I do think it is wrong that so many families assume the newly married couple should spend more time with the wife’s family. My own MIL believed that, in fact she thought that’s why we ended up living closer to my folks. (It was really due to jobs but whatever). So she was disappointed when her D ended up the farthest away child.

I am grateful for my relatively boring family too.

@surfcity, let us not forget that some of these outrageous remarks were made by mothers to their own Ds! :slight_smile:

Last summer, my DH told me that his favorite number was 2,845. When I looked at him quizzically, he said that’s the mileage the pilot gave as the distance between the east coast area airport we use and the West Coast city (where IL’s live) where my son got married last summer. DIL’s family, for the most part, are certifiably nuts. Brilliant, but socially inept beyond comprehension. I am working very hard to just be quiet. They are already spending much more holiday time with her family. I can’t believe that my son, who we are very close to, doesn’t realize that this really hurts us, but I am working hard to just be quiet. :slight_smile:

Still reeling at some of the things people said! Unbelievable. Who says these things and still expects to be liked? Well, maybe they don’t care about the second…

Any of you have talks with your kids about future family closeness, holidays, etc, rather than wait and see?

We let them know a long time ago (and since) that we hoped they would find someone who valued family, cared to spend time with us, too. (This also came to a head when one had a SO who clearly didn’t, could barely sit through a quick dinner with us, was clearly throwing in an early wedge. Fortunately, that’s long past.) My problem right now is one SO’s expectation of even more time with us. Eg, a nose out of joint that my birthday dinner out was just me and my girls.

Words really can’t express the depths of my gratitude to my son’s in-laws. He is very close to his MIL and she really is a second mother to him and if something happened to me tomorrow, I know she would mother him adequately going forward. I hope she would be generous enough to do the same for my other boys, and I believe she would. This is an unexpected relief to me. I have no idea why. I hope she takes early retirement to take care of our grandbabies, since I’m not sure I have it in me. She only has one child and would have liked more so this will be so very special for her. I look forward to seeing how excited and over the moon she is when it happens. For a variety of reasons, she is one of my favorite people in the whole world.

" Any of you have talks with your kids about future family closeness, holidays, etc, rather than wait and see? "

I don’t recall having a specific talk with my daughters but I think somehow we stressed the importance of being with a partner with a family that is strong…I recall my oldest daughter dating a guy in college that came from a very fractured and unstable background . It didn’t work out , thankfully but I think the value system he was raised in contributed to the demise of the relationship.

The next notable guy came from a different faith and his mother refused to even meet her because of it.
Thankfully , she met a guy to whom she is now engaged and his family is really nice. They love her as much as we love him.

I am thankful that I don’t have to deal with unpleasant in-laws ( but then they do live in another country :wink:

My in-laws are divorced , but friendly so we do all get together when we visit with each other. I feel closer to my FIL , but get along well with both of them.

The fact that my newborn daughter wouldn’t remember me if I died while she was a baby was something that had already occurred to me, given my hormonally charged state, but of course I pushed that idea as far away as could (after crying for 20 minutes about it). Why did my MIL say it? She’s one of those people who thinks that it’s fine to say anything as long as it’s true - in fact, that she’s more honest than other people because she will say those things.

I nearly decked her 28 years later when, at that same d’s wedding rehearsal dinner, she announced to the table that her son-in-law is a better son to her than my husband; then made the point again a minute later by looking at my husband and saying, “you’re a lousy son, but I love you anyway.” No one could think of how to respond in such a public place. Of course my husband was hurt. My poor mother and stepfather were so embarrassed I thought they’d vaporize. I told myself that I’d tell her to shut up if she tried to say one more mean thing. Instead, my husband’s dad said, “All right, Ma … that’s enough.”

Why was he a lousy son? Because he doesn’t want to spend much time with his mother.

I am so very sorry frazzled1. How very awful for everyone.

My husband’s mother was also a piece of work. We could trade tales. My mother pretty much claimed him for one of her own. He was in desperate need of positive mothering and he got it, thank goodness. MIL died young. No one misses her. No one can think of anything nice to say about her. Very, very sad.

@alh I’ve often heard that the point of life is not what you accomplish, not the money you make, not even necessarily making some huge mark in terms of helping human kind. It’s simply to love and be loved in return. Sounds like your MIL didn’t do well in the most important task of life. And yes, so sad. To think of not being missed-that just strikes at the core!

frazzled - I wouldn’t call your MIL honest, I would call her cruel. Unless she’s completely lacking in social intelligence, she knew she was saying mean things and just didn’t care to filter her spoken words. Cruel people hide behind honesty all the time!

@frazzled1: Would it make you feel better if I told you that I have been exposed to this scenario? Until this exchange was relayed to me, I had not believed the blood of a person could curdle in their veins and yet still allow their heart to beat.

I cried when I’d first heard it, but laughed 'til I cried when I read your words tongiht. You are clearly an amazing woman.

I often told my H that if his mom ever needed a place to live, she would be welcome and I would gladly care for her. MIL was very easy to get along with. She was always in a good mood and was quite funny. She was always very grateful for anything you did for her and loved whatever you gave her for gifts…and would wear whatever you got her. She just really liked people. She was willing to try any adventure.

@RenaissanceMom wow…that seems almost unbelievable. I wonder if her H suspected? Maybe I’m naive, but I would think it would be more difficult for a wife to hide such a long affair.

Well, no love lost with my MIL either.
My mom asked me what kind of family I was marrying into the day before our wedding. MIL had called my mom yelling (“blasting”) about something which was totally incoherent to my mom. My mom didn’t know what she was even saying (or rather wouldn’t tell me) but mom told me “it wasn’t too late to get out. You can change your mind.” I told her that I was marrying H–not even blood related to her. We’d survive.
So no surprise when SIL (her D) got married a few years later–MIL did the same circus act calling BIL’s mom. It’s ALWAYS a circus act.

Of her three kids-- -one totally erased her from her life years ago, one does everything to avoid her at all costs, and hubbie (her stepson) who has done just about EVERYTHING she’s asked for years to keep peace has proclaimed total freedom from her now that FIL has passed.
FIL was a good man when not around MIL. Everyone enjoyed his company when they were alone with him. All three kids will tell you that FIL needed to divorce her eons ago–and they held grudges against FIL for putting their lives through hell with her.
Surprise, surprise–she’s acting better (sort of) since FIL passed since she’s finally figured out that she’s alienated the only family she has and since the kids are adults they can choose who to let into their lives.