Deerfield vs Hotchkiss

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We are trying to decide between Hotchkiss and Deerfield. I am looking for 2 data points in particular: Culture/Vibe and college matriculations. Is Hotchkiss more scholarly and Derfield more sports oriented? What dominates the poplar culture within the school?

Can anyone share how many students last year went to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton? I know many parents and students are touchy about it, and yes it’s not about college matriculations alone - trying to assess how HYP values these two schools and their relationships with them.

Both these schools provide consolidated data and deerfield only gives a range.

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With schools at this level, it’s not about college matriculations at all.

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Yep. Both of these schools will offer their kids all the opportunities, support, and informed college counseling one can get, and then where they want to go to college and where they get offers will be up to them as an individual.

The best school is therefore the one where they will thrive, which at this age means developing in all the important ways, intellectually, socially, emotionally, physically, creatively, ethically, and so on. That’s of course best for them as a young human being, but it is also best for colleges, as when the time comes that will best position them to formulate a good list, write thoughtful and compelling applications, and then make a wise choice among their offers. Again, all with the full support of their school.

And then they will be well-prepared to continue that path of holistic development at college, and beyond. Indeed, nothing important in life has been won or lost at the time you matriculate at a college, you are just in the very early miles of what will be a marathon that really lasts your whole life.

So what these schools will not promise to do, including because they should not be trying to do it, is mold each kid into an ideal applicant to those particular three colleges. That wouldn’t be the best outcome for each kid, it wouldn’t help them all thrive while in high school, it wouldn’t help them all thrive in college, and it wouldn’t help them all thrive in life. Again, if applying to and matriculating at one of those colleges actually would be good for some individual kid, then they will provide them with the opportunities and support and counseling they need. But they can’t and won’t try to force that on every kid.

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There is no appreciable difference with college matriculation between these schools. Plus, the schools publish this info.

Having said that, when I was in your position, I asked the same question at an admitted students day. The Head (of another school) replied “I will answer that. But that’s not the question you should be asking. A better question is, which school will allow your child to be successful – as they define success – and happy 10 years after graduating. Because that’s what’s important.” And he was right :slight_smile:

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That’s the same type of answer I have seen every single official from a school like this give.

I want to emphasize that doesn’t mean I think these schools don’t help get great college outcomes for their kids, but it isn’t in that specific way. The first and most important part is substantive: they offer advanced classes that will help kids demonstrate high levels of aptitude in areas of interest. They promote close relationships with faculty that will lead to thoughtful and detailed recommendations. They support a wide variety of student activities. They promote holistic development that includes social and ethical virtues. The kids that thrive in that environment are kids that selective colleges will want because they are great bets to do it all again in college.

But then the OTHER thing they do very well, if you let them, is provide really sophisticated, individualized college counseling. There are so many great colleges out there, and well-informed college counselors can really get to know an individual kid, and help them explore options they (and their parents) might not have known to consider, and then help them choose the colleges which they know are really looking for kids like them.

The benefits of that level of college counseling go way beyond anything you can capture from comparing matriculation lists to US News rankings. The kids (and parents) who embrace this sort of help are basically guaranteed to be choosing among exciting offers that really make sense for them.

And then they become a statistic, but again that statistic cannot capture how much they really benefited from such a process.

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Hotchkiss shares combined college matriculation numbers over a four year period.

Combining college matriculations for the Hotchkiss Classes of 2022, 2023, 2024, & 2025:

During those 4 years, 15 students matriculated at Princeton; 11 at Harvard; 11 at Yale.

The most common college destinations for the classes of 2022, 2023, 2024, & 2025 combined were Georgetown (34 students), University of Chicago (29), Columbia University (2), Cornell (21), Brown (15), and Princeton (15). These are spectacular results in my view, but not uncommon at the nation’s most elite, most selective boarding schools.

Deerfield Academy’s college matriculation list just shows the names of the colleges & universities without sharing any further data. Nevertheless, Deerfield Academy has a great reputation and history regarding college matriculations at the most selective schools in the nation.

Many, probably most, parents are focused on this aspect when considering elite prep boarding schools for their children; it is somewhat disingenuous to suggest otherwise. The college advising at both of these boarding schools is superb (and well advertised) and the most elite schools in the country are familiar with both Hotchkiss & Deerfield Academy.

Between these two boarding schools, one should select based on personal comfort level (fit) rather than on college matriculations because all elite US universities and colleges are obtainable for graduates of both Hotchkiss & Deerfield.

Graduation from either school is an indication of a student’s ability to handle the coursework at the most demanding colleges & universities in the nation.

An advantage may be derived from the athletics programs at both schools since some niche sports are offered (such as rowing/crew & squash) by these wealthy schools that are uncommon at the vast majority of US high schools. All Ivy League schools recruit for sports including squash & rowing/crew.

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Both have strong matriculation to Ivies, including Harvard, Yale and Princeton (all vary by year), but “average excellent” students from either have little chance of admittance to any of this trio. Deerfield is older and, I believe, more formal in dress and dining. I believe Deerfield to be slightly more athletic, while Hotchkiss has high-level music instruction and has had many wonderful student pianists, violinists, cellists and wind players in recent years. Deerfield has grading compression around the A- level, while I think Hotchkiss grading may be slightly more forgiving. Average SAT at Hotchkiss is about 50 points higher than at Deerfield. Might want to weigh that the incoming head of school at Hotchkiss has been a high-level Deerfield administrator for many years.

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This statement is not accurate if referring to academics alone.

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Say more. I tend to agree with @ameridad on this.

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Are we to assume you haven’t gone to revisit days at either school?

As stated by others, the second datapoint isn’t valuable, as the students drive those outcomes, not the school and the outcomes are pretty similar in any case given the similarities of the talent pools. The first datapoint you asked for is what is most impactful on the second, and will be clearer to you on revisit. You’ll be attracted to the vibe of one more than the other. You’ll know it. Go there.

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Having participated in some discussions about this with other parents of boarding-bound kids, particularly recently, my sense is there are some such parents who have pre-conceived college lists in mind and they are hoping for some sort of “boost”, and some who do not think that way. I also strongly suspect there will be some parents who maybe more start in the first category, but end up persuaded to join the second category at some point.

That was certainly the case at my 24’s mostly-day school (it has a small boarding program). The college counselors really tried to push back on that pre-conceived-list mindset once the process started in earnest, and some parents with the pre-conceived-list mentality weren’t persuaded, but some were.

I now feel (without any sort of scientific evaluation) like the parents of boarding-bound kids I am conversing with broadly fit this pattern. Like, say, those who have prior experience with older kids going through boarding schools seem less likely to have the pre-conceived-list mentality. Not that none do, just less proportionately than the parents whose kid would really be the first in their family to attend such a boarding school. And again not that all of the latter have that mentality, just more proportionately.

How it all balances out in terms of exact percentages, I have no idea. But that is my current sense of the overall range and some patterns.

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Because you asked about matriculation to HYP - Deerfield matriculates a lot of students to Ivies/HYP, but no more as a percentage than its peers (Choate, Hotchkiss, Andover, Groton, SPS, Exeter, LV), and more of these DA matriculants are recruited athletes compared to its peers. Many come from its Lacrosse, Rowing, Hockey, and Football teams. Needless to say, matriculation stats can be misleading for any school, as athletics, donor status, and legacy play a significant role in elite college admissions.

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I believe @ameridad is referring to unhooked “average-excellent” students. And if so, I agree with him.

Matriculation data for these 2 (and indeed for most - if not all - boarding schools) don’t separate legacy, recruited athletes, and other hooks that skew the data. If those numbers were backed out, I doubt the percentages to HYPSM would differ much from a top LPS. These colleges are admitting students, not boarding schools

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Agree. This, unhooked, is what I meant by writing “if referring to academics alone”.

I know many students who were definitely NOT among the top 50% of their elite prep boarding school class who matriculated at all three of the top Ivies. In fact, it was surprising based on the students’ academic performance and (estimated) class rank. Think bottom 20%.

However, I still disagree with ameridad’s assertion as every student with whom I am familiar at the small elite prep boarding schools (e.g. SPS & Groton) has/had a hook. Plus, it is tough to define “hook” as it can, and does, vary by school.

I find it admirable that these top Ivy League schools have the courage and understanding to look beyond the basic stats of GPA, class rank, & standardized test scores to build each class.

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I don’t think parents and students (at least on this forum) are “touchy” about it; I think they’re realistic about it.

For one thing, colleges obviously accept individuals rather than the schools that they attended.

As many people have observed over the years, an objectively excellent but “unhooked” (i.e., no obscene wealth or sports etc.) student may actually worsen his.her chances for admission to these top colleges by going to an elite boarding school because now they’re competing side-by-side with objectively excellent students who are hooked. And while colleges don’t admit students on the basis of their secondary schools, they sure do seem to cap the number of kids that they’re willing to take from them. They understandably don’t want to fill their entire class with Hotchkiss or Deerfield grads.

The second and probably more important point is that admission stats don’t tell you anything about one specific kid’s chances of admission.

The overall Yale admission rate is 3.9% based on their latest Common Data Set (https://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale_cds_2024-25_rmd_20250612.pdf). But those same data reveal a substantial difference between the numbers of Men and Women applicants and acceptances. Men: 1136 accepted from 24951 applicants. Women: 1091 accepted from 32540 applicants. Acceptance rate for men is therefore 4.55% and 3.35% for women. Pretty big difference!

When I look at the proprietary data for the boarding school that my kids attend, the acceptance rate to Yale is much higher than the overall 3.9% rate and much higher than Yale’s prefer-males rate of 4.55%.

But does that much higher rate represent my unhooked children’s chance of admission?

Certainly not, because our school’s data will include applications and acceptances from a great many extremely hooked classmates. And indeed, when you look at the school-specific data for admissions you see that the general correlation between GPA/SAT and admission completely breaks down at the upper reaches, which tells us what sensible parents already knew: kids are being admitted and rejected on the basis of factors far beyond academics. And once you start digging into those other factors, you’re left concluding that Hotchkiss placing X more (or fewer) kids at H-Y-P than Deerfield does over a five-year period don’t mean nothin’.

And this is why parents on this forum (maybe myself included) seem a little “touchy” on the topic of boarding schools and elite college admissions. We know that the data, which are extremely limited and therefore prone to gross misinterpretation, don’t tell anywhere close to full story of who is or isn’t getting into Harvard, Yale and Princeton.

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Hear hear.

Not to mention that the Head of Admissions at one of the elitest of elite said in an Open House that if you were pursuing admissions there because you wanted to go to Harvard, look someplace else. Hard as it is to swallow, the value of Deerfield and Hotchkiss is not in getting admitted to HYP. It’s arming the kid to be the kind of student who can go to HYP (or any other school) and excel.

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Struggling here. You’re saying that all the kids you know of from SPS and Groton have a hook?

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The tough issue, as I noted above, is defining what constitutes a “hook” for any particular school in any particular year. The variations are substantial.

Again, this is why I disagree with the assertion that only top academic performers at elite prep schools have a shot at H,Y, or P.

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May I suggest that if any school has students matriculating to highly selective schools, especially over several years, you can assume that the school more than adequately prepares students for admissions and will give them as reasonable a shot as they can have. It’s really hard to divine more from general numbers as you can’t tease out the hooked applicants.

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Reminder that CC is not a debate society. Please get back to the OP and their question about Deerfield vs Hotchkiss. The question also asked about culture and vibe!

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