Deferred REA - Stanford 2018

Colleges & Universities Stanford University
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<p>@ccdaddio</p>

<p>" For those 2340 students accepted [3]:
398 students were also accepted by Harvard;
359 accepted by Yale;
430 accepted by Princeton;
304 accepted by MIT;"</p>

<p>13-18% of people who get into Stanford get into at least one of Harvard/Yale/Princeton. That’s a very small amount. Granted, not everyone who applies to Stanford applies to those other top programs, but I’d venture to say that most do, especially considering that Stanford’s early pool is non-binding.</p>

<p>It is very rare as Bulldog said.</p>

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<p>@friedokra20</p>

<p>I don’t view 13-18% as “very rare”. Not even close when overall admissions is around 5.6%</p>

<p>Secondly, you are looking at it in an odd manner. The way to look at it is of the people who got into Stanford, anywhere from 18% to 64% of them were cross admitted to HYPM.</p>

<p>(18% if you assume that everyone of the HYM cross admits also got into Princeton, 64% if you assume there is absolutely no cross admits among those HYMP group that got accepted)</p>

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<p>We can argue until we’re blue in the face about how rare is “rare” and the exact numbers. The point is that there are plenty of people at all of HYPSM that got rejected from other schools in HYPSM. Take this scenario: a perfectly qualified, genuinely nice and very smart with plenty of intellectual vitality and entrepreneurial spirit gets into Harvard and rejected by Stanford. Why? Hint: it’s not because the Harvard admissions committee happened to not see the “last straw” that earned the guy a rejection from Stanford. There probably was no “last straw” or real, concrete reason that the kid didn’t get into Stanford other than the fact that there just aren’t enough beds on Stanford’s campus to house all of the superbly qualified kids that apply. I know that you’ve heard that a thousand times, but I really do think it’s true. </p>

<p>I had a conversation with an admissions officer when I visited Yale (I know it’s strange, but they are real people). Naturally, I had a bunch of questions for him, but one of the most intriguing thing that he said was that, in any given year, they could accept all the kids off the waitlist, reject 1000 of the original acceptees (Yale usually accepts 2,000 and waitlists 1,000, give or take), and NO ONE except the admissions office would know the difference.</p>

<p>The reality is that you will NEVER know why you were deferred/accepted/rejected/waitlisted from all of your schools. You will NEVER know why you were accepted to some, waitlisted by others, and rejected by the rest. There’s really no use in speculation; just put your best foot forward on the applications you are about to submit and see what happens. Like I said in my first post on this page, there IS a school out there that WANTS you, you’ll just have to wait until March to find out which one it is.</p>

<p>On a related note: you will only go to one college. It actually doesn’t matter where you get in otherwise. No one at Yale wants to compare where they were accepted. I’ve only had that conversation with a few of my closest friends; it really doesn’t come up in normal conversation. I have one good friend who straight up said “If I had all the choices you had, I can’t honestly say that I’d be at Yale,” but he also doesn’t whine about having to go to Yale instead of Princeton or Harvard. The fact of the matter is that you will all end up at a school that you love or will love eventually. If by this time next year you have not yet realized that you love the university you go to, feel free to unearth this thread, whine and complain, or even cuss me out. Just give it a little time. Trust me, things will work out in the end.</p>

<p>Believe it or not, your SAT doesn’t actually matter anymore. As soon as you submit your last applications, NO ONE WILL EVER ASK YOU FOR IT AGAIN. No one talks about high school (or college) GPA. No one actually cares. The only thing that matters is that you are where you are.</p>

<p>Sorry if that was a bit snippy…I had a bad day today, but I still feel like all of this needed to be said.</p>

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<p>This is the internet, we can argue whether the earth revolves around the sun ;)</p>

<p>The link I gave used Stanford cross-admit data. One can counter that with anectodal “data” but I don’t that that is a good argument.</p>

<p>18-64% of Stanford admits were admitted to at least one of HYPM. One can argue that puts it in the “rare” category, but I don’t think that is acceptable use of the word “rare” or as mentioned earlier “very rare”.</p>

<p>If you don’t like the actual data provided by Stanford, check out the RD accepted threads. It is not rare, or even uncommon, for someone to have been cross admitted. Yes, that is a self selected pool.</p>

<p>(btw, interesting venn diagram point - if the number is 18%, then that means that there was almost 100% cross admits among those applicants who got into HYPMS)</p>

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<p>Yup. Definitely.</p>

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<p>Sadly that is not necessarily true:
[More</a> Employers Are Asking Job Seekers for SAT Scores - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB106729501444224900]More”>http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB106729501444224900)</p>

<p>Oh, and it could even get worse…
[Are</a> You Ready for the Post-College SAT? - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323980604579029143959843818]Are”>http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323980604579029143959843818)</p>

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<p>Alright ccdaddio, you win, since you weren’t accepted to Stanford right off the bat, you definitely won’t be accepted to ANY OTHER UNIVERSITY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD. You better start working on that community college application.</p>

<p>Oh, and since your SATs weren’t high enough for Stanford, I guess that means that you WILL NEVER EVER EVER HAVE A CAREER. But I think McDonald’s is hiring…</p>

<p>Is that a more satisfying answer for you?</p>

<p>The point that I’m trying to make is that NO ONE KNOWS if you will get into HYP until Ivy Day, so there’s no use in getting your panties in a wad now.</p>

<p>And it is very poor form for a peer to ask you about acceptances/SATs, so don’t worry about having to admit your rejections/abysmally low SATs to your community college clasmates ;)</p>

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<p>Uh, my point is the exact opposite.
I don’t believe that that cross-admits are “very rare”.</p>

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<p>I tried calling the admissions office to ask this earlier today, but they were closed, so I was hoping some of you guys maybe asked the same question.</p>

<p>If we were deferred, are we allowed to apply to a non-binding early notification program at another school if the option is still open?</p>

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<p>ccdaddio, I’ve been immersed in the job application process for a number of month since I graduated from Northwestern and haven’t had one prospective employer (and these are BIG BOY employers; feel free to PM me and I’ll tell you who I’ve talked to) ask for my SATs, either in person, on email, or on the phone. Not one.</p>

<p>And I’ve had ONE potential employer ask that my GPA was at least a 2.5, lol.</p>

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<p>@friedokra20 - I expect that employees asking for SAT scores is still very uncommon but it does happen (see article).
Although they don’t rely on them nearly as much anymore, Google used to ask for them and considered them - even if you had 10 years experience.
Some Wall Street firms ask for them, especially for internships.</p>

<p>Crazy, but true:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1344963-privacy-sat-scores.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1344963-privacy-sat-scores.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>But this is getting far from the topic of this post.</p>

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<p>hey guys, when you check your application status on axess, do you get an email saying “we are unable to provide you the status of your application?”</p>

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<p>If we don’t have any major accomplishments to list in the first box of the update form should we just leave it blank?</p>

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<p>^^if you don’t have any major accomplishments to report…I would have some reservations about even filling out an “optional” report…it may potentially affect your chances by “highlighting” you don’t have any major accomplishments to “report” since your original strong application…</p>

<p>…remember, you are already in a SELECT group of 593…with about 15% acceptance chance…</p>

<p>…you already meet the requirements to be accepted…it is just a matter of whether someone from the “regular” applicant group can shine even brighter to meet the “needs” for the class of 2018 to the admissions committee…</p>

<p>…the decision to file is up to you. Hope this helps and best wishes!</p>

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<p>Not to make this a chance me sort of thing…but I sent in an update and mentioned that I recently broke a state record in my main extracurricular activity along with a few more minor things. Grades were excellent 1st semester and I tried to show a little bit of interest as well in the update form. Is this in general what the deferred to accepted students have done in the past? Or is it just as random as it was when I applied EA and as random as it will be for the RD kids?</p>

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<p>there’s a blog post about somebody who went to great lengths to try to send in the best optional report possible, but as it turned out, somehow Stanford never received the update form, but he/she was still accepted. i’m willing to wager it’s pretty random still. </p>

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<p>@SwagDaddy</p>

<p>Doing really well in your primary extracurricular and maintaining your grades definitely won’t hurt you, and I’m guessing that it’s generally the kind of think that admissions likes to see, but there are no guarantees.</p>

<p>@Neuromajor</p>

<p>I would probably agree with gravitas2 in this case; no need to point out that you don’t have anything to report. If you have something for one of the other boxes that you really want to send, then you should send the report (and maybe try to think of something for the accomplishments box? There’s gotta be something you can put down).</p>

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<p>Just to add a little reassurance of the randomness to the process, I was also deferred from Stanford REA, but just received an acceptance via a likely letter from UChicago, indicating I’m one of their top 200 applicants. Both universities are ranked similarly (and are actually tied at #5 if you go by USNAWR rankings). If I’m not in the top 800 for Stanford but am in the top 200 for UChicago, then it’s pretty clear that beyond a certain point, it’s about shaping the class more than anything else. Good luck to everyone!</p>

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<p>A little more than a month until decisions are released! How is everybody coping with being in admissions limbo? </p>

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<p>did you guys send an email to your regional admissions officer</p>

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<p>Hmm…I haven’t really done anything about Stanford yet. I don’t have anything to update my app with really; i’ve pretty much just been doing the same activities and competitions that I already put on my app for other years so…</p>

<p>And are they okay with receiving emails? Are we supposed to show continued interest somehow? haha oops</p>