<p>I don’t know what makes you think most recruited atheletes are ED Mom. Many of the top atheletes football, basketball, track etc have to see what MLB and D! schools are going to offer them. Those offers and the baseball draft come later in the year. In fact the kids I have know who went Ivy football were all recruited by D1 schools and did not make their decisions until Spring. BTW since the Ivy’s do not give scholarships they do not have the same 85 scholarship limit the D1’s have and typically have closer to 120 recruited football players - shades of the days of Bear Bryant.</p>
<p>Yes, athletes are usually ED. </p>
<p>It is not just wealthy kids that can apply ED, it is also well prepared, highly qualified kids like Valdez who have decided, thoughtfully and in advance, that they & their parents are willing to shoulder their likely burden of EFC (or thereabouts) if they are able to gain admission to their favorite elite school. Also poor kids who know their ride will be significant due to need at nearly any school (though fewer poor kids are savvy to ED.)</p>
<p>The kids whose final decisions will come down to comparing aid offers are not willy nilly the most disadvantaged kids. Some poor kids are willing to forgo merit aid for the “right” school and some are not. Some wealthy families would not forgo merit aid either. It is a family culture and priority question.</p>
<p>uh patux, last time I checked Ivies are D1</p>
<p>Patuxent, most of the athletes I know have made their decisions by the end of the year. There is then a second round for those who did not get into schools at that time, but it is not anywhere nearly as frenzied, and they are not the top kids. My son eschewed the first round, but he was not a top D-1 candidate, but a lower D-1 to strong D-3. The pure D-1 kids were spoken for, and had commitments by that time. An excellent read in ivy recruitment is at www;johntreed.com. It goes through the process in detail right down to the actual numbers. Kids who get acceptances from scholarship schools do what is called a “squeeze play” to the non scholarship colleges when they get competitive offers, and something is then very quickly worked out. There seems to be different rules for the very top athletes as some of them do not even have completed apps at the schools when they are offered acceptances. I have seen that as well. But the top level athletes this year at my sons’ prep school are already commited. Don’t know if they even applied ED but they have their acceptances.</p>
<p>SBmom - maybe recruited women rowers are ED but I will guarantee you most of the recruited atheletes are regular decision because most of them are waiting to see what D1 offers they get. Add to that the coaches doing the recruiting are still sorting through who they want and who they think they can reasonably expect to get.</p>
<p>Edited because you are no longer interesting to me.</p>
<p>V, take a chill pill and an etiquette class. This is the parent’s forum.</p>
<p>Valdez, when you graduate from that Texas college, you have a job waiting for you if a Bush is in office…</p>
<p>try to get me kicked out of college? yes sir, thats REAL class for ya.</p>
<p>i apologize for the harshness–the consistent tantalizing is making me a bit testy. parents or not–some of you have been impressively rude.</p>
<p>I mean, what am I supposed to say when some person threatens to get me kicked out of texas A&M?</p>
<p>I asked for people’s opinions, more often than not, i’m getting threats</p>
<p>Go check again SBmom. The Ivy’s fall into their own classification along with the Patriot League. D1 schools HAVE to give scholarships - it is not an option.</p>
<p>These are Parent’s opinions V. They will be harsher and more sophisticated than the kid forums. It is not rudeness–it is honest opinion of your morality. Take it on board or not.</p>
<p>The following, OTOH, is rudeness:</p>
<p>“Just plain dumb…Just plain stupid…Take an economics class!”</p>
<p>You owe cur–one of the best parent posters–a heartfelt apology.</p>
<p>I dont know if all D-1 schools other than the Patriot league and Ivies HAVE to offer scholarships, Patuxent, could be true, I don’t know. How does one check that statement. But I do know that D-1 schools do not have to offer scholarships for every sport, and many do not for a number of sports. You won’t get a dime for swimming out of Georgetown or BC , for instance. But the basketball budget is pulsing with money. And not all recruits at D-1 schools are offered money, sometimes just a spot on the team. Nor are they all offered the same amount of money. There is a lot of latitude here.</p>
<p>Valdez, I hate to be mean, but you have just been so disrespectful to so many here. If a Princeton adcom is watching, he is cringing at your use of the word “tantalizing” and wondering if they should have paid more attention to the SAT verbal score.</p>
<p>Pat- you are wrong about that. If you read anything about Ivy recruiting, you will see that ED is the norm for athletes. I’m sure there are still slots for RD, but most of the top recruits go ED. We’ve covered this in other threads, but the coaches do NOT have final say in admissions at the Ivys, so kids are encouraged to apply ED so the coaches can better use their “tips”.</p>
<p>hmmmm MWC. Coaches seem to have great sway at Ivies because many of the recruited athletes are offered likely letters in October–before the ED apps are even due!</p>
<p>But, as I learned on CC, Harvard, for example, does NOT give athletic scholarships. They will meet financial need, but they do not award athletic scholarships per se.</p>
<p>Stanford does though.</p>
<p>Check out the thread on “A Coach’s Encouragement…the same as a Likely Letter”. You will see how you can’t always bank on what the coach says. There are a lot of subtleties in the recruiting process.</p>
<p>Pax does have a point in that there are many, maybe even most athletes who do not apply ED, and are not heavily recruited or recruited at all. My son was in that latter category for the most part, and he did not apply ED, nor was he given much in the way of special admissions. He was just not good enough in his sport. There were teams and coaches who wanted him but they were not about to give him a special pass. And he did not apply ED because he was not in the position to make a commitment at the time of the deadlines to do so. So, Pax, there are probably more athletes out there that have not been accepted ED or otherwise with an early “letter of intent”. But the best ones tend to be picked already. Scholarship money at this point is slim pickings as most of it is gone. I am working with a couple of athletes who did not get picked up in the ED round, and what they want is a reach up in what they would ordinarily have for college picks. They probably will not hear until everyone else does, but I think they have the distinct possibilty of making out a bit because of their athletics. They can also miss big time as a very gifted athlete that my oldest son knew did. He tried the old squeeze play, and missed. He ended up going to a local college and worked out at a club and entered the rounds again the subsequent year with his family now wiser and more experienced in this game. This does happen as well, but in his case he chose not to use up any of his eligiblilty, whereas in general, most kids would just settle for a school that will take them and play there.</p>
<p>Cheers - It is not just Harvard. No Ivy League school gives athletic scholarships, it is a rule of their league. Stanford is in a totally different athletic league with different rules.</p>
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<p>I love you V…</p>